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Wow I cannot believe that I have discovered this fascinating post just hours after it has basically ended!! I have spent the last 3 hours reading and trying to absorb some of the info for reference to my own impending project. Great to see a tired old car gradually fettled to a good usable condition, with a certain future ahead of it. I have kept hold of a VERY rusty s2 Fulvia coupe for many years, hoping that one day I can do something with it, rather than just break it up for parts - it came close, but I couldn't bring myself to chop up such a rare and lovely car-there really is no coming back from that!- so when a bare but solid shell appeared on ebay I jumped at the chance, and am looking forward to finally revitalising my rotten yet still gorgeous little Fulvia. I have a feeling the care, thought, attention to detail and plain improvisation contained in this thread will be invaluable when I get stuck in, so thanks a lot for taking the time to record everything! Well, here we are a mere 2-years-plus down the road from the above optimistic post! But finally, I have managed to gather together the parts I need to begin the project. Logistics dictate that I am restricted to working on parts at the present time, rather than the shell which is stored elsewhere, but any progress is positive at this rate..! So, this week I 'ave mostly been stripping - PANELS The panels on my S2 are comically rusty, and the panels which came with my S2 shell are a mixture of lightweight S1 aluminium doors (rare, valuable, good condition yet incorrect fitment for a Fulvia S2, and often will not physically fit one), and aftermarket fibreglass bonnet and bootlid (Great as a last resort but very prone to cracking, and generally not ideal IMHO) So, being reluctant to use any of my own panels, I have managed to source, among other things, a set of steel panels. These are in iffy condition as usual, but I'm hoping will turn out to be repairable. First, I tackled the bootlid; I forgot to take any pics at first; It was in a nasty faded darkish red cellulose, as are the other panels, with a nice coating of sticky cheap underbody shutz over the inside. You certainly would not have wanted to put anything clean in the boot of that car! Still, a clean-up of the inside with panel-wipe on a 2-inch brush revealed the original colour to be, I believe, Maya Yellow, or Giallo Maia to give it, I think anyway, its proper title. While it will not be to everybody's taste, I happen to rather like this colour, having admired an early Beta coupe so finished, and could see myself using it later on. There was obviously filled rust damage to the rear corners, which I dug out but the lid seemed in reasonable condition; The lid had been resprayed yellow over the original, and then a futher repaint in red. This left me with a lot of paint to shift, including a very thick coat of primer-filler, presumably cellulose. Trial and error indicated that a blade in a scraper holder was best for the top coat of red, and the underlying later yellow, which noisily 'shattered' off like glass fragments ( Goggles...!) as the blade was forced under it and collected as colourful shavings on the floor, in my hair, down my neck etc.. The primer filler and original yellow, factory primer and black cathodic groundcoat was best shifted by laying a piece of mutton cloth over an area, brushing standard cellulose thinner onto it until wet through but not saturated (breathing mask, LOTS of forced ventilation, ideally outside...!!), and placing an impermeable layer on top (I used an alu offcut) over the top to discourage evaporation. The filler primer would separate quickly, and scrap away easily, then I'd replace the wet cloth back over. After a cup of tea, the apparatus could be moved across to the next patch, and a light pass with the scraper blade would lift the whole factory paintjob off in one go. Quite satisfying actually...
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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If you're using a cellulose thinners, apply it and drape a plastic garbage bag over it. Leave it for a while and admire your hard effort as it peels off with the plastic. Should stick to the bag well enough, counts as the layer to keep the thiners from evaporating as fast, and turn it inside out and you've already binned it!
I like me a Fulvia.
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If you're using a cellulose thinners, apply it and drape a plastic garbage bag over it. Leave it for a while and admire your hard effort as it peels off with the plastic. Should stick to the bag well enough, counts as the layer to keep the thiners from evaporating as fast, and turn it inside out and you've already binned it! I like me a Fulvia. I like your thinking, although I'd have expected thinners to melt straight through the bag. They must be a better quality where you are!
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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If you're using a cellulose thinners, apply it and drape a plastic garbage bag over it. Leave it for a while and admire your hard effort as it peels off with the plastic. Should stick to the bag well enough, counts as the layer to keep the thiners from evaporating as fast, and turn it inside out and you've already binned it! I like me a Fulvia. Loving the Moggy by the way. There was a guy who had a lock-up near me who had a four-door 1000, which he put a 16v 2.0 Lancia engine in, with a supercharger. He spent a huge amount of money on it, and it was crazy fast alright. And also locally, there has been, for years, a Traveller woody estate, stripped to little more than a chassis-cab, sat on a drive untouched, with remains of tarp flapping. I have had to summon all my restraint not to attempt to buy it, since I would very much like to restore one as a daily driver, but the other day it was taken away on a trailer, hopefully to be restored. Yours certainly looks to have survived well.
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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79cord
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Look forward to seeing the project progress since Father has a nice early 1200 coupé, & I must restart my stalled Maja Giallo Beta coupés. Lancia's original precise panel gaps certainly add to the challenge when you have to mix & match parts. And some of their production changes are baffling. Beta went from electric to mechanical & back to electric fuel pumps, same for Distributor locations, & launched with bonded windscreens they even reverted to rubber seals!
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Aug 31, 2016 17:15:24 GMT
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Always good to see another Fulvia thread.
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1987 Alfa Milano/75 1979 Alfetta Mille Miglia 1976 Alfetta GT race car 1970 Lancia Fulvia 1.3 Rallye S 1968 Fiat 850 spider
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Aug 31, 2016 22:17:08 GMT
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Look forward to seeing the project progress since Father has a nice early 1200 coupé, & I must restart my stalled Maja Giallo Beta coupés. Lancia's original precise panel gaps certainly add to the challenge when you have to mix & match parts. And some of their production changes are baffling. Beta went from electric to mechanical & back to electric fuel pumps, same for Distributor locations, & launched with bonded windscreens they even reverted to rubber seals! Nice collection, I would have any of those in my garage. I have seen what must be a fairly rare occurrence of 2 yellow early Beta coupes pictured in a building, taken from above, were these yours perhaps? I always thought that colour really suited the coupe, and if I ever get around to restoring my '77 1300 Coupe I will be choosing that colour for sure. Agreed re Beta development weirdness, I imagine it was the chopping and changing of Lancia engineers/ Fiat Engineers/ bean counters that explain some of the bizarre happenings. I had always preferred early to late coupes, being a fan of bright window trim and delicate bumpers!
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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Very pretty cars. A friend of mine bought one last year to complement his stable of Alfas. It's just full of lovely period details.
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79cord
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Sept 1, 2016 10:53:25 GMT
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Probably my pic. since it's been about here before. Though one has had a badly matched repaint so is greener than it should be. I couldn't resist the colour seeing it for sale despite already having a black one, then added a spare shell that was Giallo repainted to red, all squeezed into the shed. I have spoken to someone in Queensland that also has a pair in Maja Giallo too though. Popular in 1975(!?) Much more daring than their later colours/interiors. This could be Fathers pair except the Fulvia is wearing hubcaps: Have to put together his newest toy, an '80 Gulietta soon, & some of my Honda's before the Beta's get attention.
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That's the pic, I think they look lovely; my 1300 has the same crazy orange seats, but with a lower-rent bench in the rear. Such nice looking cars, but I still for the life of me cannot work out what they were up to with that dashboard! I can't think of one positive change they made for series 2/3 cars tho, in terms of aesthetics anyway; Any Beta is a rare treat to see these days, over here anyway. But the earliest were the nicest for me, with flat bonnets and round roofs. I am a big fan of '70s/'80s Alfas too, regardless of the approximate quality control. I would really like to build a Giulietta to 75 T'spark spec, but I expect there are more useful things I could use the time for! As for the S1 Coupe and the 2000, your Pa has chosen well if you ask me! I have a soft spot for Hondas too, and recently sold a NOS bonnet to a chap on the South Coast for his N600, which he has driven all over the country to gather parts for. They sold very few over here, so I was very glad the advert reached him! There used to be lots of N series cars in Portugal, they seemed to be almost common in Lisbon but since they joined the EU everyone has been car shopping, the older cars have gone and the streets are full of new stuff, sadly.
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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Sept 1, 2016 23:07:04 GMT
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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crahel
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Sept 2, 2016 10:10:29 GMT
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Great to see another Lancia been lovingly repaired. I look forward to the progress. bookmarked
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1973 Lancia Fulvia s2 coupe (sold) 1998 Audi a4 sedan (sold) 2000 Nissan maxima (sold) 2007 Audi convertible.
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79cord
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Sept 2, 2016 11:06:33 GMT
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Looks like the technique works well! Hope the rust hasn't gotten in to the folded over door flange to increase the difficulty level. Surprised to see the double layer of metal so far down.
Can't remember a Fulvia in Yellow, though there is a nice salmon pink/orange Zagato in the local club.
I was surprised to see Dads Gulietta seems to have been designed with 10mm door gaps! Afar cry from the Beta's 4mm, though it did come with an 1800 Beta sedan whose door gaps had been completely ruined by someone badly replacing lower door skins, & worse the rear of the car bent by a massively overloaded or impacted towbar so the boot does not shut, so sadly we have given up upon that in favor of the Gulietta. I doubt it will be as comfortable & refined but has its own cheeky style.
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Sept 2, 2016 22:01:59 GMT
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I think the double skin area is a strengthening web for the window channel mounting point, and it also serves to locate what seems to be a door 'stiffener'?, a pressed bar which connects without fixings through slots in the door frame at either end, and presses gently against the lower inner skin below the belt line; it seems to act to prevent 'drumming' of the skin. I have never seen this method before, and may have it totally wrong, but it is too thin and loose to act as any kind of side impact bar?
Yes, Giallo Maja or whatever it is was available certainly on Fulvia 3's and presumably on S2's, since there are HF Lusso's pictured. I like it a lot, but I realise it probably cuts the resale market in half with a Fulvia. Perhaps I will save it for my Beta coupe, which is still of fairly low value over here.
I know what you mean about Giulietta 116 build quality, all the '70s Alfas I have had have been like that. I think earlier models had a better reputation. I wonder if Alfa, being smaller independent, were hit harder by the industrial actions of the time and attempted to cut costs to stay afloat, before eventually following Lancia down the throat of FIAT in '87. In truth I think the German firms were the only ones pushing build quality in the '70s. An Italian I knew always insisted that his countrymen generally drove the wheels off the domestic products, and threw them away after five or six years whether they had blown them up or not, so perhaps it was just market forces in Italy at the time. In terms of comfort and refinement I don't doubt you are spot on, particularly in the gearchange dept, but at least with RWD it should be fun.
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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kev13s
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Great to sees other Fulvia on here but we definitely need more pics. If you need a section of door where the light goes in I may be able to give it to you.
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Sept 3, 2016 11:18:23 GMT
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Haha thanks kev13s but panels and boxes of bits is all I have here at the moment, not very exciting I know! Thanks for the offer of door section, I would be very grateful! This door is in great condition compared to the passenger side, of which the lamp area is about the only good bit!
I have a steel drivers door that I bought from eBay a couple of years ago. It is the same yellow by coincidence, allegedly came from an HF, and appears to have been a genuine replacement panel at some stage, rather than fitted as part of a new car; the undercoat is the same pinkish primer found on other Lancia OE parts I have used over the years. For some reason it is missing the support web for the qtr window to screw down into, perhaps they didn't all have one or it had to be bought separately, but it has never had one fitted. Strange..
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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kev13s
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Sept 3, 2016 12:59:46 GMT
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It's an early door for non opening quarter lights and it'll be very difficult to make it work with the opening ones, not to mention the fact that the locks will most likely be different and the receiver on the body too. I've had all these little problems along the way.
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Sept 3, 2016 22:23:35 GMT
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Ah, that would make sense then. The rest of the door shell looks the same, but we shall see. The lamp hole looks to have been manually cut out too, with the screw holes in a different plane. All interesting details.
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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Sept 3, 2016 22:47:37 GMT
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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Sept 4, 2016 22:32:13 GMT
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The passenger door has turned out to be in poor condition. it is not dented, which is something I guess, and the lamp area, so badly corroded on the driver's side, is spot-on, but the rest has suffered far worse. The support fillet for the opening quarter window has dissolved, along with an inch of skin beneath. The top rear corner has seen the skin crack along the weld at the corner, and continue down the fold, while the holes for the door handle are fatigued around. The lower frame and skin are missing in many places, and crusty in others. If it was the last door on the planet, it could be repaired, but I think it's worth looking for a better one at this stage. I have a spare door, but it is the wrong side!
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71 Gilbern Invader II 72 Gilbern Invader II 71 Lancia Fulvia Cp 72 Lancia Fulvia Cp 76 Lancia Fulvia Cp 75 Jaguar XJ12L 77 Lancia Beta Coupe 87 VW T25TD Reimo 89 Alfa 75 T.Spark 89 Lancia Y10LXie 90 Lancia Delta HF Martini 91 Alfa 75 3.0 Clov 93 BMW 525iX 94 Ford Transit 95 Alfa 155 2.0SP 97 Alfa 164 3.0 Super 99 Alfa 156 V6 00 Peugeot 106 Sport 02 Audi A6 Avant 04 Alfa GTV jts 05 Citroen C4 2.0HDI 06 Alfa 156 V6
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