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Aug 30, 2016 20:10:42 GMT
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My autosleeper has a split charge system fitted when it was converted. Ive just had it all out and re arranged the wiring so I know whats what but I have concerns.
Theres not much electrics (2 lights, water pump, fridge) but more will be added.
Fridge is on a seperate relay and only works when engine is running.
My concerns are about the relays and wire sizes.
All the wiring including the main link to the engines battery is just like headlight wiring and the relays are just normal little relays.
I'm new to all this but it seemed a bit odd it all being quite small. Its how it was converted, and doesnt seem to have set itself on fire over the years but thought id check to see it its ok.
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Aug 30, 2016 20:12:16 GMT
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Oh, and there are no fuses in the split charge. Should there be a fuse between the running battery and relay and another between relay and leisure battery?
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Aug 30, 2016 20:22:13 GMT
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Every split charge system I see is a fire waiting to happen. They're a nightmare
Theres two workable ways, either way keep your fridge on a relay direct from the main battery as it's totally impractical to run from a leisure battery - it'll draw about 10A. I presume it's got gas or mains supply. Way 1 is "cheap £14 wanky ebay auto sense split charger and loads of thin wire" This works but is slow to charge so you can't really just run the engine for half an hour every few days and expect to keep your beer cold, The relay will realistically only handle 15A tops so if you use thick wire there's not enough voltage drop and the fuse blows - These are designed to be used to keep a caravan battery charged when you're driving, with a huge length of wire with enough resistance that you drop about a volt across it and it limits the charge current in practice to 10-15A.
If you fit one to a camper with short thick wires, you'll blow 20A fuses often. So you have to use fairly thin wire (12AWG) to keep the current down. Fuse as close as practical to both positive terminals with a 20A blade fuse. No matter what, the relay will probably fail after a while. If you use them at 35A or 40A like they claim to handle, they will melt the casing and weld the relay contacts shut.
Way 2 is to use a "proper" split charge relay and proper wire that will handle everything your alternator will give out. The leisure battery will charge much faster, you won't blow fuses all the time but you'll need to spend £60 instead of £30. Disadvantage is that the leisure battery will charge at a much greater current so it'll actually slow down charging of the main battery. In practice this isn't an issue unless you flatten both. Durite make a decent self sensing 140A relay. part no 0-727-33 Use 4AWG wire and a 100A fuse as close as practical to the positive terminal of both batteries.
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Aug 30, 2016 20:32:46 GMT
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Aug 30, 2016 20:39:10 GMT
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I seem to have an old school 3rd way.
Bog standard plastic cube relay triggered from the alternator light wire. This relay then directly connects the batteries. No fuses.
I just realised the fridge relay (also triggered by alternator light) is also unfused so no fuse at all on the fridge!
So, back to what I should be doing...
The relay you mention looks loads better. So if I fit a big proper relay and decent wiring (with fuses) I assume my old bedford alternator will keep up ok?
Ill re route the feed to the fridge relay to a fused supply. Ive been reading a fair bit about the fridge though and people seem to think you should run it from the leisure battery (only when engine running) and taking the power from the engine battery is a hang up from the old days.
All new to me though.
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Aug 30, 2016 20:47:41 GMT
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Yeah, your way is the common old way. It's the worst of all worlds really - the leisure battery will charge slowly but will always draw current, even when the main battery is very low, and obviously there's no fuses so the van'll go up in flames as soon as one of the badly crimped terminals overheats and falls off.
Your old alternator will do what it can - I'll assume it's 40A or something? An overly simplistic way of looking at it is that when wired to two batteries, the alternator will charge whichever battery is the most flat, up until the point they're equally charged and then it'll distribute current equally.
However with a self sensing split charge relay, it'll only cut in at about 13.2V meaning it'll only start charging the leisure battery once the main battery is about 60% full, there's no risk of it leaving you stranded.
Whether you run the fridge off the main battery or the leisure battery through another relay is much of a muchness really. If you leave it as it is, you can flatten the main battery if you leave the fridge and ignition on.
Really if you want to get much life out of either battery you should fit a couple of LCD voltmeters - don't let the leisure battery drop below 12v. If you put LED bulbs in your interior lighting then you can happily camp for weeks with no issues -I left all the lights on in my van for over a month once - came back and there was still plenty in the leisure battery.
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Last Edit: Aug 30, 2016 20:54:38 GMT by cobblers
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Aug 30, 2016 21:01:32 GMT
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Thanks. I like these durite things.
Lights are getting replaced as there ropey and LED is the plan.
I'm also in need of sockets as they were all ancient and odd fittings. The sockets I was looking at also have volt meters in. Didnt realise, untill you said, why youd need one though.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:04:09 GMT
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Oh, 36amp alternator lol.
Maybe ill upgrade that if I throw much more electric in it.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:21:26 GMT
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You'll probably be OK If you make sure your charging leads and engine earths etc are all good and solid, so that you're getting every bit of that 36A. That said there's probably a fairly simple upgrade for your alt.
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Don't try and run the fridge without the engine running, the old one pull loads of power and will flatten a battery in no time, the 12v function is basically just to try and hold the temp down while you are out and about rather than chill food down much.
They are surprisingly effective running on gas, with our caravan we tend to hook it up to the mains at home for 12 hours or so before we go to get the fridge nice and cold, as they do take a while to cool off.
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Aug 31, 2016 13:43:19 GMT
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Yeah, a 3 way fridge would be nice but I don't think we'll be on camp sites much so wont use ehu often so gas will do.
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Notwen
Part of things
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Aug 31, 2016 15:43:51 GMT
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Just to throw another make into the mix, a made in Great Britain split charge unit On the ground of full disclosure, I do work for these guys, but it is 100% British designed and built and comes with a 5 year warranty. It's not your usual eBay or retail fodder as we mostly supply the Emergency Services and Military. List price is £100 +vat and carriage (but we can do discount for RR's) Where is differs from generic rising voltage units is, the ability to have your own custom pull in and drop out voltage. In addition, should your engine battery be more discharged than your aux. battery, it will give a seamless automatic jumpstart (can be deselected) Relay will handle 200A constant. (mods, if this is against forum rules, please delete and I will consider myself told off)
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1995 Mercedes C36 AMG, 1998 C43 AMG 5.4Ltr.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:36:54 GMT
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I have no problem with your plug Nice unit, starting to get a bit overkill for a small split charge system powering a couple of lights though. However, if RR discount gets it sub £40 id gladly use it
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Notwen
Part of things
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Cheers, I can get RR discount to 20% (we don't have the margins that far east manufactured units enjoy).
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1995 Mercedes C36 AMG, 1998 C43 AMG 5.4Ltr.
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split chargingfr€$h&m1nt¥
@freshandminty
Club Retro Rides Member 99
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Thanks for raising this, I'm looking at going split charging route and some good info and product links in this thread.
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