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Sept 19, 2016 19:28:59 GMT
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Hi, OK if built up into a heritage shell, But if the registration number FDL 963D ends up on another car not so much. I've included the reg if someone does a search for a prospective purchase in the future. Colin
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Sept 20, 2016 16:08:43 GMT
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Technically you can put an ID onto a brand new shell that was never registered, so it isn't really illegal unless someone puts it on a previously registered one or a stolen one. Can't see to many new shells being about though
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slater
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Sept 20, 2016 17:20:37 GMT
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Why do you lot have to be such curse word about it? Who's loosing here?
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Ryannn
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Sept 20, 2016 19:14:12 GMT
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Why do you lot have to be such curse word about it? Who's loosing here? People who's cars get nicked and "rung"
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Ryannn
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Sept 20, 2016 19:15:39 GMT
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Technically you can put an ID onto a brand new shell that was never registered, so it isn't really illegal unless someone puts it on a previously registered one or a stolen one. Can't see to many new shells being about though In order to redshell, you should have the original car. It's illegal to sell a V5 without a car in the first place.
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Sept 20, 2016 19:25:56 GMT
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Why do you lot have to be such curse word about it? Who's loosing here? Ever had your pride and joy nicked mate? I have more than once and it pisses you right off
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Sept 20, 2016 19:32:38 GMT
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Technically you can put an ID onto a brand new shell that was never registered, so it isn't really illegal unless someone puts it on a previously registered one or a stolen one. Can't see to many new shells being about though In order to redshell, you should have the original car. It's illegal to sell a V5 without a car in the first place. I know it's illegal to sell a v5 without a car I'm just saying it's not illegal to put a chassis number from one vehicle onto a new shell.to me buying a chassis plate and book would be the same as buying a totally rotted out shell but with less cutting lol but to be honest I'd rather restore a rotter
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Ryannn
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Sept 20, 2016 19:34:13 GMT
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In order to redshell, you should have the original car. It's illegal to sell a V5 without a car in the first place. I know it's illegal to sell a v5 without a car I'm just saying it's not illegal to put a chassis number from one vehicle onto a new shell.to me buying a chassis plate and book would be the same as buying a totally rotted out shell but with less cutting lol but to be honest I'd rather restore a rotter Lol, yeah I knew what you meant.
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slater
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Sept 20, 2016 19:46:18 GMT
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I hardly think they are nicked.. It would be obvious. The reg number would flash up as stolen surely?
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slater
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Sept 20, 2016 19:46:58 GMT
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Or are we talking about the buyers? Not alot you can do about that!
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Sept 20, 2016 19:58:56 GMT
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The way I see it if someone sells an id, its just asking for a car to be knicked, or at least a car will end up with an id that doesnt belong to it, like making a car tax free when it shouldnt be. There was once a chap who put pre 73 id on a 1981 Austin Maxi. Blatently obvious (to me), and just wrong. But oh so easy to do.
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Sept 20, 2016 20:14:57 GMT
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I hardly think they are nicked.. It would be obvious. The reg number would flash up as stolen surely? No, it's the other way round. The ids sold are legit. Spend £200 on a logbook for a mk1 escort, go out and get yourself a similar mk1 overnight, flog it on for £30K profit...
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kabman
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Sept 21, 2016 6:26:02 GMT
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Why do you lot have to be such curse word about it? Who's loosing here? People who's cars get nicked and "rung" Or, as in the case of Mini above, someone who buys what they are told is a genuine Cooper and later finds it's an 850 with a dodgy ID.
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slater
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Sept 21, 2016 12:51:01 GMT
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To me it's like selling a pair of bolt croppers on eBay. Yeh somone could use them to rob somone but that's not the fault of the seller.
Most id's end up being use for morally sound reasons of not legal! Yeh people turn base models into nicer models but quite frankly if you go to buy a escort Mexico and don't check it's got all the bits then your just a mug. Again there are unscrupulous people out there but most people are sound and the id's are used to bring cars back from the dead not con people.
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Last Edit: Sept 21, 2016 12:52:28 GMT by slater
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Ryannn
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Sept 21, 2016 13:56:44 GMT
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It's not like that though is it, it's not illegal to sell bolt cutters... It's illegal to sell V5s.
I don't know how you can say that it's done to give life back to old cars. My first question would be, how have they lost their ID in the first place?!
No one just owns an unregistered car and decides to ring it so they can drive it.
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slater
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Sept 21, 2016 14:36:55 GMT
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Been 'scrapped' usually
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Sept 21, 2016 16:29:11 GMT
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Been logged as scrapped can go straight back on the road, might not even need an inspection.
In my book no ID = stolen no other reason to remove it.
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richr
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Sept 21, 2016 19:37:01 GMT
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The way I see it if someone sells an id, its just asking for a car to be knicked, or at least a car will end up with an id that doesnt belong to it, like making a car tax free when it shouldnt be. There was once a chap who put pre 73 id on a 1981 Austin Maxi. Blatently obvious (to me), and just wrong. But oh so easy to do. I can kind of live with that, the way we get ripped off in this country, its a bit like the rich who employ clever people to avoid paying tax.
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Sept 21, 2016 21:50:38 GMT
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The way I see it if someone sells an id, its just asking for a car to be knicked, or at least a car will end up with an id that doesnt belong to it, like making a car tax free when it shouldnt be. There was once a chap who put pre 73 id on a 1981 Austin Maxi. Blatently obvious (to me), and just wrong. But oh so easy to do. I can kind of live with that, the way we get ripped off in this country, its a bit like the rich who employ clever people to avoid paying tax. True, but in the same way that the comparasons were made with Mk1 escorts, throwing a load of mexico bits at a standard escort makes it a replica, throwing mexico id plates at a standard escort makes it a forgery. Like the difference between monopoly money and a fake £5 note
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Sept 21, 2016 22:32:36 GMT
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Been logged as scrapped can go straight back on the road, might not even need an inspection. In my book no ID = stolen no other reason to remove it. I've had several cars that have been stripped for restro then 20 years later the V5, VIN plate and reg plate ar no where to be found. on pre 80 cars most VIN plates were riveted on so can also rust off. I've also bought two cars, same make and model and similar colours, NO V5's, no Vin plates just one set of number plates. I managed to find the VIN number written on some paperwork so know which reg it belonged to but not which car. So one car got that plate and new V5 the other car got The v5, reg and VIn off one I was scrapping. Not legal but no harm done but that car and another car saved but no way would I had sold the V5 to a stranger.
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