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Aug 27, 2016 12:20:10 GMT
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Hello Retro Rides.
Like many of you, I have a few retro cars and I have a daily driver. My daily driver is a imported L200 truck and it has been a very faithful, reliable old truck that is appreciated by the whole family. We load it up for surf trips, tip runs, parts collecting, even use it for the odd bit of off roading and it has been a reliable old truck.
Have some photos of it.
As reliable as the truck is, its fuel bill is quite crippling with the miles I occasionally drive, and it is a bit of a chore when on the motorway and once again the fuel economy drops off the face of the earth if I tip over 65mph.
This truck was a replacement for my vito which I had last year, I wanted to have a go at a camper but couldn't afford a T4 which was my preferred choice, so I found a cheap little Vito which was only up he road. I bought it as a non runner and got it on the road which unfortunately suffered an early demise due to a sleepy lorry driver.
Full thread can be seen here including smashed up vito photos - retrorides.proboards.com/thread/181175/mercedes-vitos-cool-bought-died
However, as you can imagine this has left me with a bit of a sour taste in my mouth and I went for the truck.
Following a recent trip to the coast my uncle brought a new van, a T4 camper, this got my mind spinning again. Here it is in all its glory, a very nicely built camper.
After having a good poke about, and hearing about his weekends away, adventures and trips Me and my better half seriously wanted to have a go. There were also a lot of other positives to accompany buying a van, better MPG, better motorway handling, I could fit motorbikes in the back far easier than in the truck, somewhere to change out of wet clothes, it also gives me a good enough reason to buy a jet ski and a lot of other reasons, however I didn't want to sell and regret selling my truck. The task was to try and find a cheap T4, a mission in itself.
Cheap T4s did seem to be out there, but they didn't fit my bill. They were panel vans with no rear seats which wasn't the best of things, because ideally I wanted at least 4 seats, something my Vito and caddy didn't have which therefore made them a little bit of a hindrance.
After browsing through certain classified sites daily, almost hourly, with the notifications set on so I received a message every time something was advertised within budget I kept missing out on vans, I just wasn't quick enough and I found myself on the brink of giving up. However this Tuesday one came up and contact was made. The chap was 45 minutes away, but happened to work just down the road from me, so we arranged to meet. At this point I was not fussed by what model, spec or trim I got, I just wanted one.
This was a photo from the advert.
Upon meeting the chap and the van it was apparent that it has had a seriously hard life. It was an ex work van, which I knew about from the advert, I have a work van and I keep it in very good shape, after viewing this van it appeared that not all people have the same take on a work van.
The interior was very well used, abused and incomplete but did have the factory rear seats, captain seat swivel bases and electric windows which I wasn't expecting. Mechanically the van seemed to be quite sound, a few advisories on the mot for track rod ends which appear to have been left untreated. There was a lot of bills for components which had recently been replaced, inlet manifold and a new starter were among the parts, both of which were invoiced from the local VW Commercial main dealer.
My biggest problem with the van was the state of the body, it had suffered some scrapes and dents, bad ones by the looks of things, and rather than eave them, or have them suitably repaired someone has deemed it acceptable to slop kilos of filler into the dents and scrapes. I seriously have never seem filler so thick, i'm talking like an inch thick! however Although put off by this I continued to poke around the van. I got the MOT history up and noticed there was no fails, or advisories for rust or corrosion, something my Vito van suffered from very badly. I had a pretty in depth look at all the arches, sills, floors, even got the thing up on some small service ramps and for 45 minutes of looking, couldn't find any rust. This is what did it for me.
With a bit of bartering with the seller I ended up with It for a price I was very happy with, money was exchanged and I dropped him off at the train station. Here it is parked up in my ownership.
Upon Taking ownership there are a few other things that I have noticed, Engine temp gauge doesn't work, no power steering, odd mirrors, missing and damaged interior trim, although with all of this I still have a bit of faith.
My plans.
My plans are to make a useable, yet modest day van that I can use for some weekend trips away, parts lugging, towing a jet ski and moving bikes around.
I need to sort the body work out, remove the filler, sort the damage properly and I want to go matte blue. So any matte blue suggestions would be excellent. I also need to change the wheels and lower it a bit, I have no idea how these are lowered so again, suggestions would be great.
Inside I want some nice leather seats with twin arm rests ideally. All of the ply will be removed and the van suitably lagged, deadened, lined and carpeted. I want to put some funky flooring in, along with some camper side units and a rock and roll bed. I also want to throw in some EPS out of a corsa, make it a little easier and nicer for my other half to drive. With it being the long wheel base model I am hoping that I can still have a well spaced conversion in the back.
Engine wise, I need to give it a good service and I also want to have it converted to LPG.
Anyway, that's probably enough for now, if anyone has any suggestions, inputs, ideas or photos to share please do post them up!
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Aug 27, 2016 18:55:48 GMT
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the clocks are a common problem on these, the mirrors are correct . heated leather saab seats fit on the vw seat bases
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Aug 27, 2016 19:06:28 GMT
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as far as lowering goes its easy, when i had mine it took less than a hour to do, for the front take the weight off the wheel an unwind the torsion bar bolts that re behind the fuel tank if i remember right every 1cm you wind the bolts out it lowers the front 2.5 cm, for the rear you don't even need to take the wheels off just undo the shock an jack the van up the weight of the wheel will pull the swing arm low enough to just pull the old spring out. this was my old one
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Last Edit: Aug 27, 2016 19:14:23 GMT by malachi
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BT
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the clocks are a common problem on these, the mirrors are correct . heated leather saab seats fit on the vw seat bases Oh are they? I will have to do some reading, hopefully it hasn't been done in an attempt to mask an overheating engine. In regards to the mirrors I meant the glass is different, one has been replaced with a budget glass, which is hazy and seems to magnify things dramatically in comparison to the other one. Annoyingly. Are the Saab items a direct fit? Ideally I would like some seats with built in arm rests. I keep looking at Range Rover leathers, built in arm rests and the L322 ones seem to be cheap with the P38 ones even cheaper. Although I imagine the Saab items are even cheaper, could always fab up some separate arm rests. Thanks again.
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BT
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as far as lowering goes its easy, when i had mine it took less than a hour to do, for the front take the weight off the wheel an unwind the torsion bar bolts that re behind the fuel tank if i remember right every 1cm you wind the bolts out it lowers the front 2.5 cm, for the rear you don't even need to take the wheels off just undo the shock an jack the van up the weight of the wheel will pull the swing arm low enough to just pull the old spring out. this was my old one Cool van! Like the matte. I googled T4 lowering and was taken to a how to guide. Front torsion bars are similar to that on my truck so I have minor experience, just concerned that mine may be seized up. You are right, 10mm on the thread equates to a 25mm drop. In regards to the rear I am a bit undecided. I hear cav/calibra rear springs offer additional lowering over the lowered T4 springs but a few things get me. Incorrect weight rating, Unknown overall drop, my current 18" wheels and modifying bump stops, and notching up front to match the rears. I do have an additional question. I need a lower steering cowl cover, can anyone recommend a supplier or specialist? Just been quoted £40 plus post for a used one which is frankly ridiculous!
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BT
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Aug 28, 2016 11:50:18 GMT
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Thanks very much for that link, I will give it a good read, I don't know what seats are in mine at the moment, but they sure aren't nice. I have been doing some reading and have found a 60mm rear spring designed for a T4, so I think I will give them a go. I am concerned that with such a long wheel base I will have major speed bump problems and I don't want to make the van useless. In other news, I am in need of a few parts, I am struggling to locate. If anyone knows of any breakers, parts suppliers or any alternative replacements can you please let me know. I need. The lower steering column trim/surround. it should look like this. I also need the right hand side lower dash trim, in the photo it is the big pocket under the headlight controls. Cheers.
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Aug 28, 2016 15:03:45 GMT
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Had a bit more of a poke around the van today and discovered many things. Coolant light is flashing, checked coolant level and it is fine, what else could this be? I've also found that the engine drops idle when revved, what could this be? Fault ICV or something similar? Lastly, a two pin plug in my engine bay that isn't connected to anything. Any ideas?
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Aug 28, 2016 15:48:53 GMT
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Try giving the prongs in the coolant reservoir a scrape. Normal vw problem is they get gunky and flash the dash light.
Other thing to try is plul the plug off and short it with a paper clip to see if dash light goes off.
Nice van btw, miss mine
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Aug 28, 2016 15:51:48 GMT
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My Audi coupe of the same age had an issue with the coolant light, pretty sure it was a bad sensor on the expansion bottle so I just disconnected it.
Could your revs dropping be an air leak somewhere? An old bmw I had did this, it was a split air pipe that opened up as the engine rocked through vibration etc on revs.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:00:57 GMT
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Try giving the prongs in the coolant reservoir a scrape. Normal vw problem is they get gunky and flash the dash light. Other thing to try is plul the plug off and short it with a paper clip to see if dash light goes off. Nice van btw, miss mine Thanks very much! I will give that a try tomorrow when I get home. It seems as though these era VAG vehicles had a lot of dash problems. Actually my sin ten year old Audi still has dash problems! I will give all of that a try and report back with findings.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:03:34 GMT
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My Audi coupe of the same age had an issue with the coolant light, pretty sure it was a bad sensor on the expansion bottle so I just disconnected it. Could your revs dropping be an air leak somewhere? An old bmw I had did this, it was a split air pipe that opened up as the engine rocked through vibration etc on revs. Thanks again, I will try disconnecting the sensor and see what happens. Hopefully it is simple enough. There is an idea that I didn't think of, thanks for suggesting it. The van idles sweet, will Rev fine, but when returning to idle sounds as though it will drop below the idle point and then struggle to bring itself back up to idle speed. I am under the impression that these engines are similar to the Gti 8V golf, so I may have to google a more broad search term and hopefully return something of use. However GSF can supply both 4 and 2 pin sensors for below £10 with their 45% discount code this weekend, so may have to grab some if I get no results. Thanks again!
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Sept 8, 2016 19:12:44 GMT
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Got two new sensors in an attempt to repair the faulty temperature gauge. GSF part numbers in photos, one is 2 pin the other 4 pin. Totalled less than £20 with a discount code. Threw them in and the red flashing light went away for about ten minutes, temperature didn't climb and the red light returned. So next thing is dash out and resolved I think. The van was a mega state, so much so I nearly walked away and left it. I haven't got around to cleaning it as such, but have collected a lot of the junk and binned it all. What got me was the fact it looks like someone has washed a cement mixer down in the back and the collection of stray wires! Found this downpipe in the back, can only assume it's for the van. Traced some of the wires back. Fair few there but finally got them out. The list with this thing seems to be ever growing, part way through the paint process at the moment, but still need to sort out the ride height, tidy up the interior and attempt to instal a window on the N/S sliding door.
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Sept 8, 2016 20:14:59 GMT
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don't know if this is of any help, but my T4 had been a builders van all it's life - it was rank tbh. Pulled the seats out and rubber mat and washed them down, took the ply lining out & parked on a hill (facing up) washed every nook and crany with a hose pipe and soapy water - came up like new & no faffing! smg.photobucket.com/user/JoeM/library/Ma%20Van?sort=3&page=1
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Last Edit: Sept 8, 2016 20:16:11 GMT by joem83
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Sept 8, 2016 20:23:26 GMT
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Yeah, when I used to convert these we'd just clean everything with a pressure washer. Cab mat, door cards, all the inside of the back, it's the only way to get the mucky smell out. Get rid of all the wood, use them for templates if they fit but if you carpet over it them thing will always smell like a builders van.
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Last Edit: Sept 8, 2016 20:24:06 GMT by cobblers
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Sept 8, 2016 20:43:11 GMT
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Thanks very much for that link, I will give it a good read, I don't know what seats are in mine at the moment, but they sure aren't nice. I have been doing some reading and have found a 60mm rear spring designed for a T4, so I think I will give them a go. I am concerned that with such a long wheel base I will have major speed bump problems and I don't want to make the van useless. In other news, I am in need of a few parts, I am struggling to locate. If anyone knows of any breakers, parts suppliers or any alternative replacements can you please let me know. I need. The lower steering column trim/surround. it should look like this. I also need the right hand side lower dash trim, in the photo it is the big pocket under the headlight controls. Cheers. I've got a T4 LWB Caravelle with 60mm lowering springs (from CMC), sits nicely with no speed bump or wheel rubbing issues and can still be loaded up or used to tow without sitting on the bump stops. Ride is a bit firm but this partly due to running 17in wheels. In terms of used trim parts I've found anything T4 related can be overpriced, especially once it reaches eBay. I did find a T4 at a garage the other day that is due to be scrapped, rampant rot and a faulty injection pump, I expressed an interest in some parts so if the owner is willing to deal before it goes I may be able to liberate the trim parts you need.
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This takes me back to my early days converting a T4. For SAAB 95 seats try Neo Brothers......specialist SAAB breakers. For odds and ends, trim, etc. Barnes VWT4spares.co.uk. It is a shame you are so far away but 9-11 September at the Malvern showground is Busfest...worlds largest VW transporter show. Always traders there with piles of bits and pieces from T4s...and all other vw transporter models
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Sept 9, 2016 13:22:41 GMT
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google tfourparts and calicampers for spares, ive just got a replacement fuseboard for my t4 from cali campers for £20 delivered
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Sept 9, 2016 15:39:48 GMT
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Pull the instrument cluster out (easier with the steering wheel off but not essential) and reflow the solder on the back of the fuel and temp guages, i have done this on 2 t4's to cure faults. also when you test it, take it on a motorway run. my guage would never work unless the engine had been worked hard but it never overheated.
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Sept 9, 2016 17:34:57 GMT
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Pull the instrument cluster out (easier with the steering wheel off but not essential) and reflow the solder on the back of the fuel and temp guages, i have done this on 2 t4's to cure faults. also when you test it, take it on a motorway run. my guage would never work unless the engine had been worked hard but it never overheated. I can secound this. I had exactly the same issue. Re soldered the contract on the fuel and temp gauge and all worked fine again.
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