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Hello all, decided that I am going to give respraying my Skyline shell a go myself. First off, it's a track-only car so not looking for a show car finish!
I'm looking to get a small compressor and associated bits. I have a relatively large garage and a decorator friend can supply me with as much plastic cover/sheeting as I need, so can effectively turn my entire workshop into a spray booth. Will be doing it in bits, i.e. panel by panel, and then the bare shell on it's own.
I've got plenty of experience using rattle cans and the like, prepping surfaces etc etc. Just need some advice on a couple of things.
1. What's a good product to use for panel wipe, and what should I use for cloths?
2. Paint. I will be needing primer, black and white, and maybe a neon. Could do with some advice for suppliers and whether to go for celly or water based? And what sort of mask will I need (Can't do air-fed mask). Any advice greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
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Last Edit: Aug 1, 2016 10:16:23 GMT by chodjinn
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g40jon
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personally I would go with celly or 1k acrylic for one reason and one reason alone. 2k, whilst superior in almost every way, has one major downfall, it's a somewhat dangerous substance to work with and needs an air fed mask to apply it safely. I know people say you can get away with high quality vapour masks, but would i want to risk it? I have to say no. Non metalic celly is easy to work with, just mix 50/50 with high gloss thinners and you won't go far wrong. Yes it requires more care to maintain the finish, otherwise it will oxidise and go dull, but I've managed to keep my mx5s wings looking decent 5 years after spraying them. 1k, will require colour and clearcoat, so is a bit trickier to use, but not massively so. link to a similar thread full of decent advice www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/diy-car-painting-help.17839/ |
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That is fantastic thanks for the reply!! A few other people have suggested celly, plus the neon paint colour I want seems to only be available in celly. Do you need to laquer over celly, I assume so?
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g40jon
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no, you don't normally. It is normally a single stage system. Is it possible to use lacquer over the top, I'm not sure in all honesty. Hopefully someone else will be able to advise on this......
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I've been panel beating the last 14 years and I don't no why anyone would pick cellulose over 2k. If you've got a good quality spray mask on then you've nothing to worry about when spraying 2k. 2k is far harder wearing and easier polished.
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g40jon
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Isocyanates in the hardener, that's why. It isn't just you that you have to consider when home spraying. Will you be buying your neighbours a mask too?!
I used to work at cowley. None of the spray painters used anything other than an air fed mask. Anything else wasn't allowed due to health risks.
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Exactly, I don't doubt 2k is the best but it is just not practical for a DIY home sprayer.
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nel5on
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Watching with interest....
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Covin
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Must be different rules this side of the pond!
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I have also found it is easier to blend in minor repairs with celly. I use ahome made air fed mask, bought a cheap air fed mask then feed it with fresh air from well away using a air bed pump and the cheap corrugated plastic conduit.
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g40jon
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Must be different rules this side of the pond! Where are you based then kev? Maybe there are different rules and regs? All I know is that the paintshop at bmws mini plant were very stringent about minimising risk to their workers who were involved with the use of isocyanates. Without all the right gear I'd be very reluctant to use it at home in a regular garage with no extraction system. Even if I did have the gear, people near by wouldn't and I couldn't put someone else at risk. |
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I'm in the Rep of Ireland, we've had waterbase over here for probably going on 13 years but solvent is readily available if you know the right people. I've worked in quite a few different garages and it's rarely you'd even have the option of an air fed. Normally just see lads wearing 3m or Sata masks
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I only hear of cellulose and two pack in the UK.
Do you not have single stage paints like urethane that do not require a clear coat on top. You can color sand and repair panels just like the old stuff. Cellulose is like from the early 1900s and pretty much obsolete and not something I would ever use.
As for safety, If I did this for a living I would certainly get an air feed system, for one car every few years I would just use the charcoal filter mask. Some people have or develop a sensitivity to paint chemicals no matter what they do to avoid it.
If you are painting a race car, you are already overthinking this. Go down to your paint vendors, tell him what you are doing and get some paint materials in as small a quantity as he will sell you. Other than paint, buy large volumes cause you will use them.
Now take whatever equipment you have and fill it with paint mixed as per the manufacturers instructions. Squirt it at a piece of masking paper ( I use the stuff that is glossy on one side) and see what you see. If you like it, go ahead and spray a flat panel. Flat panels are easy to sand off between practice sessions. Keep adjusting whatever needs adjusting until you are happy; paint thickness, reducer type, gun movement, spray pattern. Move on to car.
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Last Edit: Aug 4, 2016 14:43:28 GMT by bjornagn
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Aug 12, 2016 11:37:01 GMT
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Decided to save up more and just pay someone to do it, was only a few hundred quid more by the time I costed it all up with a decent compressor etc.
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slater
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Aug 12, 2016 13:04:22 GMT
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Well if any other interested parties are reading then take these two pieces of advice from me.
1. Use 2k. You do not need an airfed mask to use it safely, it's a myth. Its much better than celly (which belongs in the stone age!)
2. Hang the doors first. Not only will it save you the possibility of damaging them it will also ensure a consistent finish along the whole car.
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Aug 13, 2016 15:43:57 GMT
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Well if any other interested parties are reading then take these two pieces of advice from me. 1. Use 2k. You do not need an airfed mask to use it safely, it's a myth. Its much better than celly (which belongs in the stone age!) 2. Hang the doors first. Not only will it save you the possibility of damaging them it will also ensure a consistent finish along the whole car. Re (1) above - are you serious? |
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Aug 13, 2016 15:55:59 GMT
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www.hse.gov.uk/mvr/bodyshop/isocyanates.htmI would say its extremely reckless to post that 2k is fine on a public forum !!!!!!!!!! Really gets my goat people being so blase ! You cannot just post such a general comment when you have know idea who you are talking to. For all we know ,no offence meant to the o.p , he may go and start spraying 2k without even a mask because someone said its fine !!!
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Aug 13, 2016 18:54:46 GMT
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richr
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Aug 13, 2016 18:56:05 GMT
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If you do use 2K in the uk without the correct equipment make sure you have good insurance as I can see a court appearance if you're neighbours get ill.
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slater
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Aug 13, 2016 19:24:03 GMT
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It's all about exposure. Think about it and you will see why a guy spraying one car can use a filterd mask and a guy working in a bodyshop day in day out needs and airfed. Unfortunately the HSE doesn't give advice for the first guy.
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