Volkswrencher
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Jun 27, 2016 18:21:38 GMT
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Wow, congrats to the new toy and especially for the fast resurrection! As you might have seen I also own one of those and the Clark's Garage website is so helpful! I approached my Porsche the opposite way, fixing all mechanical issues first, but during the weekend I finally washed, clayed and polished mine - It is almost unbelievable what some effort and the right treatment can do to an old paintjob! I will definately keep an eye on this thread!
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MK2VR6
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Jun 27, 2016 19:22:29 GMT
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Sterling work. I quite fancy a 944 at some point, and this thread isn't helping! It looks like a different car already. Keep up the great effort!
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ChasR
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1983 Porsche 944ChasR
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Jun 27, 2016 19:24:01 GMT
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Great result with getting the 944 and getting it running! You do have to love iffy diagnosis eh?
The car looks like a good motor in many ways. What state are you sills in?
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Jun 27, 2016 22:36:19 GMT
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That's more than a little victory! Well done man, that is sterling work :-)
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BT
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Jun 28, 2016 18:30:26 GMT
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Wow, congrats to the new toy and especially for the fast resurrection! As you might have seen I also own one of those and the Clark's Garage website is so helpful! I approached my Porsche the opposite way, fixing all mechanical issues first, but during the weekend I finally washed, clayed and polished mine - It is almost unbelievable what some effort and the right treatment can do to an old paintjob! I will definately keep an eye on this thread! Thanks very much, I wanted to try and do something that made a very obvious difference, help keep me motivated and get things progressing hence why starting with the paint. I have actually read your build thread and am familiar with your car, which I am quite envious of. Clarkes Garage is fantastic and is responsible for my 944 now running, If I hadn't found their information it would probably still be sat there. I have a fair bit of mechanical work to keep me busy, very busy infact. It sure is refreshing to give things a good clean, I am still no where near done with this unfortunately.
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BT
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Jun 28, 2016 18:35:01 GMT
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Sterling work. I quite fancy a 944 at some point, and this thread isn't helping! It looks like a different car already. Keep up the great effort! Do it! There still seems to be a few affordable ones out there, but the prices seem to be on the increase quite drastically. I even thought about a 924 before I got this, and annoyingly missed out on one advertised on here, obviously glad I did now because I ended up with this! Next, I will start on some of the tome consuming bits.
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BT
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Jun 28, 2016 18:45:35 GMT
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Great result with getting the 944 and getting it running! You do have to love iffy diagnosis eh? The car looks like a good motor in many ways. What state are you sills in? I think in my own instance I enjoy the challenge and the satisfaction of solving something problematic, but I think there is a fine line between a challenge and the thing pushing you just too far and loosing your rag with it. A wild goose chase is to be expected every now and again I suppose! Glad its sorted now though. Thanks very much. I have always been a Porsche fan and I think I may have got my rear end into one just in time. The sills are interesting really. I have a bill that says they have been repaired and to quite a pricey sum as well, not that this means anything now days. The rear section of the sill which then goes up into the arch is incredibly solid on both sides, had a magnet out and it does appear to all be metal and not filled with podge, which is very reassuring. If I follow the sill along there appears to be some bubbling up where the rear corner of the door meets the sill, where the drain hole is in the door. When I got the car the doors were filled with water and there was an obvious drain problem with water slowly running over the sill which I think has caused the problems, since blowing out the drain holes all of the inner doors seem to be in top notch. If I travel past the sill section which has suffered bubbling the rest of the sill seems super solid and decent. So I am hoping that with some attention to the bubbling any further damage can be prevented. I have tried pulling the B pillar vents out so that I can look down into the sill, but I cant seem to get the vents out and I don't want to damage them.
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BT
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I have got a little bit more done on the Porsche, however nothing catastrophic. Unfortunately the things that still remain to be done are all things that are unseen yet very vital. I have compiled a brief list Things that don't work as they should. - Indicators, they don't flash but dash shows a green symbol - Sidelights don't seem to work - Number plate lights don't illuminate - Horn doesn't honk - Washers don't wash - Rear wiper and demister are faulty - Windows don't work but voltage shows a drop when the button is pressed - Mirrors don't move at all in any way Here is a little extension on that list with just misc things that need doing. - Tint needs to be removed from tail lights (for the red reflector) and front side lights - A small patch is needed either side in the sill just below the rear corner of the door - Replace Bonnet struts so the bonnet stops slamming on my head - Need to source and install a rear view mirror - Find a way to keep the polish red and stop the streaking returning (wet sand and a protective wax?) - Must find a replacement Square dash as I have never seen a dash with so many cracks - Interior needs a full valet, its possibly one of the worst interiors I have ever had the misfortune of being in, ever - Accelerator pedal needs to be repaired, the lower hinge has snapped. - Buy and install number plates - Locate and sort the incredibly bad steering wheel wobble - Repair or replace the drivers side door mech so I don't have to keep climbing over from the passengers side- Remove and paint headlight surrounds - Sort high idle - Obtain an MOT Obviously my initial focus is on the things required to obtain an MOT, everything else can be sorted in due course. I have listed as much as I can think of in hope that perhaps someone has approached this problem before and can offer some advice or an angle to attack the problem. This Saturday I had a very limited amount of time to get things on the Porsche done, so I set about the drivers door mech. For some odd reason to open the door I had to pull the trigger and jiggle the handle up and down in an attempt to get the door open. Over time this had got to the point where the door just would not open. So I pulled it apart. The Broken Door HandleI took the door handle off, quite easy on these old things. Some where has been here before though because none of the bolts look factory, I assume someone has lost some bits at some point. I got up in here and cleaned it up, checked for wear or possible play in the latch but everything seemed fine. I then pulled the latch section out, it was clear that someone has been in here, don't know if you can see in this poor photo but someone appears to have installed remote central locking and then hastily removed it again. There was a lot of crud in here, so again I cleaned it out and checked the mech and that everthing worked as it should out of the car, foolishly I kept locking the mech, and not noticing and thinking that the mech was seized. I smacked part of it with a hammer, put it back in and tightened everything up. It seemed to have done the job and the door opened every time and a firm pressure was on the trigger unlike before. So I sprayed it with a liberal dose of spray grease, never used this stuff before but saves me getting it all over my hands, and I am happy with that. Steering wheel PlayWhen I last moved the car, I noticed that the wheel seemed to have play at a certain point. Obviously I removed the steering wheel to replace the ingnition switch and my initial thought was I had reassembled it wrong. If I grab hold of the wheel at 3 oclock and 9 oclock positions and wiggle the wheel, as in push down with one hand and pull up with the other there is a lot of play in the wheel. Perhaps 5mm to 10mm of play. Now when you're driving the car and put a bit of force into turning the wheel this play becomes apparent and is hugely concerning. If I turn the wheel a 1/4 of a turn the play doesn't stay at the 3 and 9 oclock positions but will move with the wheel to 12 and 6 oclock positions and so on. This makes me think that the problem is not with a loose clamp or faulty bearing but in the boss itself. Of course this is an mot issue so would like to get it sorted ASAP. Does anyone have any photos of their 944 with the wheel off so I can check my collar is in correctly. I did find a photo by photo guide when I did it but cant seem to find it now. On Saturday I removed and reinstalled the wheel 4 times and had no improvement and can not see any obvious faults. It kind of feels as though the plastic collar is not going down the steering column enough and therefore the boss isn't sitting deep enough down the splines but don't really know how this is possible. This photo is taken mid disassembly and part way through the removal of the switch gear. Any suggestions would be great!
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Last Edit: Jul 9, 2016 20:45:59 GMT by BT: Crossed tasks off the list
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For the windows have you tried opening the switches and cleaning the contacts?
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It's always a good boost to morale when you get jobs ticked off the list. Your 944 reminds me of my old one that I ran as a daily in 1996/97. I was only 24 at the time and shouldn't really have bought her, as my 50 mile round trip commute almost ruined me fuel cost wise....... and then came time to replace all 4 tyres which really was the end of my 944 ownership ! I did however then buy this.....
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BT
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It's always a good boost to morale when you get jobs ticked off the list. Your 944 reminds me of my old one that I ran as a daily in 1996/97. I was only 24 at the time and shouldn't really have bought her, as my 50 mile round trip commute almost ruined me fuel cost wise....... and then came time to replace all 4 tyres which really was the end of my 944 ownership ! Same reg as mine! Funnily enough I am also 24. I am hoping that the fuel costs in this are more reasonable than my daily and weekend car (18mpg and sometimes I break 10mpg in the weekend car!). What I am struggling with is prices of parts, that and the availability of them. I have owned minis for a good few years, and despite them being out of production for years parts are plentiful and cheap, not with these they aren't. I also owned a mars red mk1 GTI, it was before the prices went through the roof so must have been back in 2008ish. Yours looks a lot better!
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BT
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For the windows have you tried opening the switches and cleaning the contacts? Is that a 964 in your avatar? If so is it yours? If so please can you share some photos? Thanks for the suggestion, I read that the switches get filled with gunk and can need cleaning so I did check this but I think I wasn't the first to try it. It would actually appear as though someone has removed the switches in an attempt to clean them thinking the fault is in the switch... and as you can see they've lost parts and reassembled an incomplete switch. I pulled the switches out and tested the plug, across the pins I was getting 12V which was a good sign. I then took the door card off, put a good switch on the plug and took a reading from the plugs on the motor end, once again we are getting a good 12V feed, so that leaves just the motor at fault. I took a jumper pack and connected it onto the puns, nothing, dead motor I thought. I tried it again and head the motor move a little bit. So decided the only way to solve this problem is to pull the mech and motor out. It then became obvious as to why the motor wasn't working. I'm guessing where it has sat unused, slightly moist, the gear has got gunked up and seized solid. I thought if I free this off perhaps it works so I set about dismantling the motor. With the assembly dismantled I plugged the motor in to my jumper pack and it fired straight up. this confirmed my suspicions. After a liberal dose of WD40 and a wire brush the gear was freed off. I had to exert a fair bit of force with some pipe pliers to actually free this up. Once it was freed off I reassembled the motor with a fair bit of grease in a hope to prevent this from happening again. This was then reinstalled into the mech and then reffited to the door, it was a incredible pain in the chuff trying to get the runners and everything lined up so I had to put a call into my brother to come and hold the window up whilst I bolted everything down, we did finally get there and then it was the moment of truth. Success, up and down off the switch! The loudest motor ive ever heard, but perhaps once I get some sound deadening in there and the door card back on it might quieten down a bit, either way its faster than the rear windows in my 20 year newer truck, so I am happy with that.
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The switches in these things are a pain in the neck. They are all spring & ball bearing jobbies onto contacts. Trying to reassemble them is a nightmare but from experience most intermittent electrical issues for me have been cured by cleaning switched and stuff.
On another note the car is looking excellent. Would struggle to tell it's the same car as when you first posted!
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It's always a good boost to morale when you get jobs ticked off the list. Your 944 reminds me of my old one that I ran as a daily in 1996/97. I was only 24 at the time and shouldn't really have bought her, as my 50 mile round trip commute almost ruined me fuel cost wise....... and then came time to replace all 4 tyres which really was the end of my 944 ownership ! Same reg as mine! Funnily enough I am also 24. I am hoping that the fuel costs in this are more reasonable than my daily and weekend car (18mpg and sometimes I break 10mpg in the weekend car!). What I am struggling with is prices of parts, that and the availability of them. I have owned minis for a good few years, and despite them being out of production for years parts are plentiful and cheap, not with these they aren't. I also owned a mars red mk1 GTI, it was before the prices went through the roof so must have been back in 2008ish. Yours looks a lot better! My ownership was before Ebay and to be honest the internet, so parts for mine were sourced over the phone through numbers found in the Yellow pages and car magazines/Autotrader/Loot etc. The only thing that didn't work on mine was the heated rear window although it did start to puff a bit of smoke on the over run before we parted company.
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BT
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Jul 14, 2016 16:49:50 GMT
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Wish that was all that was up with mine! Spotted this yesterday whilst out and about, very local, tempted to knock on the door and ask if he would part ways for a fee. M Please excuse the poor google image, was driving at the time.
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Last Edit: Jul 14, 2016 18:04:55 GMT by BT
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BT
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With the drivers door sorted I moved onto the passengers side. Upon removing the door card it was immediately obvious that someone had been in here doing a halfassed job of things. Once again I tested the plug for the motor, 12V was being supplied. I tried jumping the motor again with an independent power supply but nothing, no sound, no movement what so ever. So with that I pulled the mech out expecting the problems to be in a gunked up drive gear again. I slit the mech and motor and then went to remove the motor, it was at this point I realised someone else had been here before by the rounded off bolts. With the motor removed from the drive gear I tried to supply some power to it, again it did not spin. The motor was dead. At this point I thought I could bin it and buy another, but once again this is a Porsche and parts are expensive, I had nothing else to do for the evening so thought I would strip the motor down and see if I could understand how it worked. I pulled the housing off of the motor, I then had three main parts, I had the brushes (I think that's what it is called), the body which contained two magnets and the switch mechanism at the top of the brushes which sat around the shaft. The brushes were very rotten, it looks as though a leak had resulted in some horrible water ingress which has had an ill effect on the brushes. I took a wire brush and tried to remove as much gunk as I could, I then went over it with something a little harder in a hope to get even more off. Gave it a spray with some WD40 and removed as much of the dried up grease that probably wasn't helping anything. I then moved onto the body. Was super gunky and very horrible. I had pulled the magnets out, cleaned them up and reassembled. I quickly reassembled the motor and tested it, it worked! Was very happy. Problem is, when you separate these motors to get to the drive gear you break off some little tabs that are used to fit the front plate. When you come to rebuild the motor you can't because of these tabs, incase someone comes across this through a search or something here is what I did. I ground the remainder of the fixing tabs down so that they were flat. Get a 2.5mm drill and drill out each fixing tab. Take a M3 tap and tap them out. Take an airline and some sort of cleaner and blow all of the swarf and old grease out of the motor, pack with some new grease. I took the front plate and drilled out the left over Studs so that a screw could be fitted. The screws I used were M3x10 screws and refitted the face plate. So with that I refitted the Motor to the mech, mech to the door and plugged it in, hit the switch and happy days. Next on the list is the indicators and the electric morrors. Don't even know where to start with that.
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maf260
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Jul 15, 2016 10:31:23 GMT
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This is superb, well done so far. It's great to see an approach that is to repair rather than replace. Much more satisfying and much cheaper as well!
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Jul 15, 2016 23:35:05 GMT
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This is superb, well done so far. It's great to see an approach that is to repair rather than replace. Much more satisfying and much cheaper as well! ^^^ What that man said. I'm enjoying this thread. Keep up the good work. Bookmarked.
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Still learning...still spending...still breaking things!
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mattiwagon
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Just got a work truck
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Nice work that man!
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If they cant be nice f**k em!
84 low t25 panel 1.9td beige and rust combo 97 Goped Bigfoot G260RC with clutch conversion 97 Impreza turbo 2000 builders wagon 76k sold 04 Fabia vRs 50mpg pocket rocket 04 battered T5 pickup in blue! Chainsaws lotsa Chainsaws
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Jul 17, 2016 16:30:41 GMT
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As above, your approach if repair rather than replace is superb :-) just shows what can be done with effort!
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