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Remember these bedsides Dennis was going to fit to his NASCAR themed truck over in America? Check out my build thread if you need more info.   He was going to move the wheel opening forward 6 inches to fit the race truck chassis. So when he started to work on the bedsides, he found a bit of filler..... Then some more. And then this......... What sort of knob turns out this sort of work and then covers it with a shiny coat of metallic paint?  Not a lot to be said for the previous owner and body man who did this job. Seems he has the truck those came from, on sale for $22k it will be interesting to know the quality of workmanshit. Bedsides are now in scrap pile. Crucifiction an option. |
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2016 17:44:57 GMT by grizz
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tsoob
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It's called a Mexican blowover for a reason.
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Seeing some of the American cars for sale aimed at here/europe , or ones that have just arrived fresh from paint always made me very suspicious as other stuff would look a bit tired - set alarm bells ringing as to why someone would spend all that time painting if there was nothing to hide .
I expect plenty of $2000 cars get a £3000 10mm filler skim and paint job and end up as £18k cars over here .
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+ still , and never will understand the fascination with a thick layer of bondo over all of a car to reshape it , rather than striaght metal with the odd skim here and there .
don't understand why the outcome is so appealing , especially when combined with some of the wierd synthetic paints they use which when combined with the filler make the car look like someone has taken the edges off and dipped it in plastic !!!
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The quality of most US restorations I have seen has been utterly atrocious. There is a very different mentality taken by some supposedly reputable firms. The worst welding I have ever seen was on a multi-million dollar car hidden behind a chromed panel.
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^^.
I know what you are trying to say. However , to me you get exceptional or Carp. Nothing in between. You either get a car plastered from one end to the other,or you get one that's been metalshaped back to original with Zero filler.
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The 66 Mustang I looked at recently was horrific but looked great in the advert pictures. It's up for 23k but has 22k of filler and grot in it.
Having looked at an e type that's had an American resto, I'd almost be put off for ever.
Mind you, the quality of English work in my green car also consisted mainly of filler and bodge.
Basically, if someone else has owned or worked on something, chances are it's hiding horrors.
Mind you, some of the things on brand new cars would make you think twice. ..
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New cars are one thing, but there's worse.
I remember waxoyling my old bosses brand new motor home about a week after he'd bought it, and being hugely unimpressed at the quality of the workmanship.
Asides the fact it blew a radiator hose off 3 miles into its first trip out, everything underneath looked like it had just been thrown at it and nailed (yes, nail on cable clips) there.
At 6 months old we had to take the tow bar off and add some serious reinforcement to both chassis and towbar as the presumably type approved 'factory' setup had started moving in the chassis and worn all the mounting holes oval.
How much did he pay for this fine Peugeot Boxer based mobile accommodation?
£95,000. Obscene.
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Crucifixion!
Sorry, I have bad spelling tourettes.
It's sad but most severe bodges like that are never discovered - I had a beetle once that someone had filled the heater channels with plaster of paris - Making quite a difference to the weight and strangely could never get the heaters working .....
Stopped them rusting though!
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Last Edit: Jun 3, 2016 21:54:59 GMT by 60six
Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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New cars are one thing, but there's worse. I remember waxoyling my old bosses brand new motor home about a week after he'd bought it, and being hugely unimpressed at the quality of the workmanship. Asides the fact it blew a radiator hose off 3 miles into its first trip out, everything underneath looked like it had just been thrown at it and nailed (yes, nail on cable clips) there. At 6 months old we had to take the tow bar off and add some serious reinforcement to both chassis and towbar as the presumably type approved 'factory' setup had started moving in the chassis and worn all the mounting holes oval. How much did he pay for this fine Peugeot Boxer based mobile accommodation? £95,000. Obscene. I know where your'e coming from with some of these low run conversions. Friend of ours has a recently converted Movano horsebox they paid well over 30k for,absolute pile of junk it is. Based on a high mileage ex City Link van judging from the yellow paint you can still see behind all the stuff that wasn't taken off when it was sprayed blue.The paint job is terrible,more orange peel than a crate of Jaffas with overspray all over the rubbers.I could honestly do better with a rattle can and no cutting back or mopping. The rear "box" has no rigidty at all,the side ramp mountings are so warped now it takes three blokes to lean on it and get the securing bolts home.It has tethering loops inside for the horses and the first time they used one the horse just shook it's head and pulled the loop clean out of the inner wall.They are all just pop riveted to the thin fibreglass skin no reinforcement plates behind at all,i couldn't believe it. All the injectors in the engine were seized in when they got it and they spent a bundle getting them removed and then it threw a rod.new engine was 3k i think she said. Still it looks flash from 30 yards away at dressage meets so they are happy ! |
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A old boss of mine was a real twerp . He had worked in Germany in the late 80s and 90s welding and had had a Porsche 911 then . He somehow got a job where i worked and because he was a big mouthed asshat he was made supervisor within a couple of years .
He got another Porsche due to him being a chavvy sort of flash person . He ended up with a white 911 targa which was the cheapest model going back then [ early 2000s ] It had those massive cheap copy of later Porsche wheels on and he told me he had bought it from a vicar and had never been restored , always garaged etc etc , all the cliches .
I got within a meter and could seen all the fresh paint on the window rubbers , the soft cheap rims etc. It sat kind of funny as well , you know , just didnt look right ?
A few weeks later his gloating wore off when the transmission crapped itself and the paint on the front wings started to lift. It let in water and he found out most of the floors and inner rear arches were shot .
10k for a £3000 car because it had ' nice' wheels and looked shiny .
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Look at a lot of show cars 5 or 6 years later, they ooooze filler, i've seen cortinas win shows then sell for many thousands, come rebuild time the filler is horrific, brake master held in with filler, wing tops and flitch panels inches deep in the stuff and we are talking about a car that was very well known and had a paint job that cost thousands, some people just cut corners, running out of time to get to a show, low on cash ect but some start off bodged and are bodged all throughout the build  |
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Here is the link to the seller of the truck those bed sides came from. Be interesting to know how the rest of the truck compares to that panel stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5576133073.htmlThats the sales link to the truck. Wonder if its a documented build? Was tempted to contact the seller and then ask him if restvof truck was same as panel he sold on. |
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2016 19:16:01 GMT by grizz
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It's been the same for years. I did my apprenticeship at a Ford main dealers ( at a time when Cortinas were being replaced with Sierras). I still remember brand new - last of the line Cortinas, coming straight from the storage compound, & into the body shop, for remedial paintwork, before they were handed over to the customers. Turns out they stood in a damp muddy compound for months - before delivery to the dealers. A new MK5 Cortina Estate having its whole rear load area repainted, still sticks in my mind, even today.
I'm sure the dealerships, are still carrying out such back door repairs, without the owners being any the wiser.
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While looking for a body shop to do a couple of small repairs, I found these guys on facebook who are a local reputable garage, and they were showing off some of their work. They're actually proud of this work enough to show it  its not even the same colour paint  Wonderful to see old school panel beating and metalwork skills being displayed like that. There's obviously a lot of talent there. |
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I like the way the swage line has been scrubbed out - a masterful touch , the craftsman declaring boldly his own interpretation with no thought to requiem.
Or some such curse word.
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Right I'm a novice when it comes to bodywork but the USA shows I've been watching for years and this has always bugged me.
It seems they spend days or weeks cutting out rust or making various mods then they cover the whole car with what appears to be filler and sand it smooth then paint it. It always make me think whether they are doing it properly or not - are they? Shows I am thinking of are the Boyd Coddington one, Fast and Loud etc.
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Right I'm a novice when it comes to bodywork but the USA shows I've been watching for years and this has always bugged me. It seems they spend days or weeks cutting out rust or making various mods then they cover the whole car with what appears to be filler and sand it smooth then paint it. It always make me think whether they are doing it properly or not - are they? Shows I am thinking of are the Boyd Coddington one, Fast and Loud etc. I've asked about this before as it always confused me, especially when you can see someone has taken the time to get the metal work virtually perfect, then they cover the whole thing in 10mm of wob and sand it into a car shape!!! Its the American way of doing things apparently, or maybe its a case of well thats the way (insert name here) does it and he's won loads of awards etc so it must be the right thing to do. |
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Right I'm a novice when it comes to bodywork but the USA shows I've been watching for years and this has always bugged me. It seems they spend days or weeks cutting out rust or making various mods then they cover the whole car with what appears to be filler and sand it smooth then paint it. It always make me think whether they are doing it properly or not - are they? Shows I am thinking of are the Boyd Coddington one, Fast and Loud etc. I've asked about this before as it always confused me, especially when you can see someone has taken the time to get the metal work virtually perfect, then they cover the whole thing in 10mm of wob and sand it into a car shape!!! Its the American way of doing things apparently, or maybe its a case of well thats the way (insert name here) does it and he's won loads of awards etc so it must be the right thing to do. My truck is half Aus and half USA, both half's have this weird method of filing the entire car but maintaining the exact same shape. |
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its not even the same colour paint 
