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Educate me. Are the mk2s a suitable daily? Whats the going rate for a good under nice 1.3l example nowadays? Are they a good investment; I'm sure Mk4 Escorts are rising already, especially in the last year. What about typical MPG? (un)Reliablity? Things to watch for when buying (36k cambelts I gather, right?) How do they stand up with dual carriageways and motorways, bearing in mind I am used to a 1.3 K11 Nissan Micra, so used to cruising (ahem) at 68-70mph tops  |
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Ryannn
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Orions...Ryannn
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I can't answer any of those questions but... people drove them daily when they were new!
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It's just an Escort with a boot! All the good (and bad) things about Escorts hold for the Orion and there's no reason why a decently maintained one wouldn't make a perfectly reliable daily. It may be a 36k timing belt but anyone with 2 mechanically inclined brain cells to rub together can change it in an hour! Just check carefully for rot, then check again! It is a Ford after all!
Steve
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OK, thanks for that. The boots a plus in my eyes, surprised they aren't more popular retrorides.
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Great cars, they can do anything. Perfectly usable.
They also love to rust though, so get around every area on it!
PS, the 1.3 is a a mighty 60 bhp pushrod, and doesn't have a cam belt.
Slow, but capable of a ton with some persistence, and gravity.
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1979 Chrysler Horizon 1.3 GL 1980 Ford Granada 2.8 Ghia 1985 Ford Sierra 3dr 1985 Ford Escort Mk3 1988 Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 1989 Ford Escort 1.3 Popular 1995 Volvo 960 1996 BMW 525i 1998 BMW 323i 1999 BMW 530d 2003 BMW 530i . www.facebook.com/ABCARPIX |
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The 1.3 is a decent little engine make sure it's a 5 speed as some had a 4 speed and don't cruise well, I had and want another 1.3 escorts. I have a feeling orions will rise soon.
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92 ford sierra 2.9 glsi ex police
87 ford sierra cosworth 3dr (In storage) scared to use
01 vw bora 2.0 sport
95 bmw 728i
92 2.9 xr4x4 barn find
87 xr3i
92 xr2i
89 escort van with rst (Blown up engine)
94 TRANSIT beavertail needs engine 3.0d waiting
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Great cars, they can do anything. Perfectly usable. They also love to rust though, so get around every area on it! PS, the 1.3 is a a mighty 60 bhp pushrod, and doesn't have a cam. Slow, but capable of a ton with some persistence, and gravity. Its not a pushrod engine is it ? I thought it was a cvh .. OHC |
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Doesnt have a cam?
How does it push the rods?
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where I lived (5 mins from fords dagenham works) you couldnt walk 10 paces without seeing an orion ghia in dark metalic blue with no laquer left on the bonnet or roof. All the parking spaces that didnt have an orion in had a mk4 escort van with an rs turbo kit on it. Pretty much every driveway had a half rotten mk2 granada or a bullseye spec speadboat on it. Them were the days  |
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craig1010cc
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Orions...craig1010cc
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Great cars, they can do anything. Perfectly usable. They also love to rust though, so get around every area on it! PS, the 1.3 is a a mighty 60 bhp pushrod, and doesn't have a cam. Slow, but capable of a ton with some persistence, and gravity. Its not a pushrod engine is it ? I thought it was a cvh .. OHC Nope, the early mk1 Orion/ mk3 escorts were cvh but then they fitted the 1.4cvh and the 1.3 was fitted with the Valencia xflow. |
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The 1.3 they used in the ka was based on the same block if I remember rightly but had injection system
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92 ford sierra 2.9 glsi ex police
87 ford sierra cosworth 3dr (In storage) scared to use
01 vw bora 2.0 sport
95 bmw 728i
92 2.9 xr4x4 barn find
87 xr3i
92 xr2i
89 escort van with rst (Blown up engine)
94 TRANSIT beavertail needs engine 3.0d waiting
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OK, thanks for that. The boots a plus in my eyes, surprised they aren't more popular retrorides. I had a brand new injection ghia in 1989. It was perfect, as I had a 12 month old son at the time. Basically gave you all the plus of an XR3i, but with 4 doors & a boot, cracking car of its time. |
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Its not a pushrod engine is it ? I thought it was a cvh .. OHC Nope, the early mk1 Orion/ mk3 escorts were cvh but then they fitted the 1.4cvh and the 1.3 was fitted with the Valencia xflow. Well aware of that. He was talking about Mk2 Orions |
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1979 Chrysler Horizon 1.3 GL 1980 Ford Granada 2.8 Ghia 1985 Ford Sierra 3dr 1985 Ford Escort Mk3 1988 Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 1989 Ford Escort 1.3 Popular 1995 Volvo 960 1996 BMW 525i 1998 BMW 323i 1999 BMW 530d 2003 BMW 530i . www.facebook.com/ABCARPIX |
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ianmk2
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Had two when I was young as my 2nd and 3rd cars. Red 1.4L and Grey 1.6i Ghia
Both fab cars, particularly the 1.6i, as mentioned above basically an XR3i with a boot, and for its time pretty well equipped, very nice interior, heated front screen, fuel computer, leccy mirrors and front windows, yeah, as a 19 yr old I'd made it!
Nowadays tin worm will no doubt be your mortal enemy, as I remember they didn't rust as badly as the equivalent mk4 escorts, but that was 15 years ago, I'm sure it's had a chance to take a good hold of them by now in the usual ford places, rear arches, inner wings.
Avoid OHV examples (1.3 in the Mk2 range) gutless and noisy, 1.4 or 1.6 CVH's are the ones to have, CVH's suffer with valve stem oil seals (smoke on startup but can be replaced without removing the head) rattly hydraulic lifters, used to be cheap but now I don't know about availability, if replaced and still rattle it's probably a worn cam. At the very least aim for an LX, has the higher spec clocks, better interior and I think central locking. L's are proper poverty.
Also 1.6i's have a different final drive ratio to the 1.6 carb, and when people replace gearboxes they often don't realise and use the more common carb boxes, the higher FD really blunts performance in the injected models. 60mph in 5th should be 2500rpm, if it's 2200 it has the wrong gearbox and will be nowhere near as good. (Probably won't be an issue if you've never driven the right box to compare it to)
Definitely avoid diesels, if any still survive, they pre-date the time when diesels became acceptable by a long way and are dirty, smelly, slow and horrific.
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I had a couple of them, as did friends, they rot faster than onions. High load sill, like the Escort, pushrod engine gives you tinnitus and CVH is little better. No turbo for the diesel. Build quality doesn't get much better anywhere else really, as you'll see by the door furniture..
They squat in corners, handling isn't very good, but I actually found them a bit of a laugh! But then, I find anything a bit of a laugh..
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Make sure you check under the battery tray..
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96 E320 W210 Wafter - on 18" split Mono's - Sold :-(
10 Kia Ceed Sportwagon - Our new daily
03 Import Forester STi - Sold
98 W140 CL500 AMG - Brutal weekend bruiser! Sold :-(
99 E240 S210 Barge - Now sold
02 Accord 2.0SE - wife's old daily - gone in PX
88 P100 2.9efi Custom - Sold
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Put a Zetec in it... Easy conversion, won't cost a lot
Mine was stripped out with just 2 seats and a dash in... My mates Saff Cos couldn't pass me 0-80mph!!! Was a fun car
Used my other Orion daily up until I sold it back in 2010-2011
I run a 1600i ghia the year before daily
Just look after the bodywork
Add security to it
Rear bumpers are like poor quality wobbly children's play pony poo so make sure it's got a gooden on it
Still got the Zetec Turbo'd one
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zetec is an easy conversion. everyone.4 one we had died of engine failure and ended up with a 1.6 fitted.
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'The reason i have pulled you over is to say how incredible and absolutely awesome that is'
Mercedes W109, Mercedes W140 S280 SWB & S320 LWB, W201 cosworth kitted, clk230 Kompressor, w109 300sel, Lincoln Continental 1964, BMW E30 Tech II tourer, MK1 Golf Clipper, BMW E31 840ci sport, JAGUAR XJ40 3.6, Kangoo van, Volvo 740GLE estate, Maserati Quattroporte GTS
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I just happen to have a 1.7 Zetec from a 2001 Puma here with trans, shafts and all ancillaries and plumbing, the gearbox needs a small ally weld in the mount area cos the car was totalled. Not recorded and I have the V5, £150. Interested?
Steve
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