niwid
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Hi
I'm a little concerned about the front suspension on my girlfriends base model Peugeot 205. During reassembly after chucking a new drive shaft on it, I noticed that the pin(?) on the ball-joint actually goes too far into the hole in the hub, meaning I had to back it off slightly to slide the bolt in. I'm guessing this isn't ideal as I imagine it will be putting a lot of load onto the bolt itself rather than the taper of the pin. There is no discernible movement of the assembly once bolted up, but it may be the cause of the slight knocking I have heard from the front end over the past few months.
My question is whether it is likely to be the pin that has worn, or the hole in the hub? What will I need to buy? The ball joint itself is a little stiff, but doesn't have any play, and while the bushes look a little old and saggy, they don't look knackered. I'm a student and my missus is in between jobs at the moment, so we really need to avoid spending money on parts that don't need replacing. That said, when she starts her new job she will be commuting 30 miles a day, and needs the car to be safe and on the road ASAP.
Also, I would be interested in getting all new pinch bolts and nuts and what not to do the job properly, where might be best to get them?
Thanks in advance
Tim
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many pugs have 2 sizes of ball joint , if the wrong one is fitted for more than a few miles it can enlongate the hole in the hub and render it useless
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niwid
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I should add that this is a base model 205, so has TCAs with integral ball joints rather than bolt on ones such as on other pugs with wishbones. I can't be sure but I'd imagine that would mean it wouldn't be possible to fit the wrong balljoint?
I've had a reply on another forum stating that the pin is actually parallel, not tapered, so they often do go too far through. In that case I'm being silly, but I do wonder what the clunking up front is...
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It could be the hole in the hub has ovalled slightly over the years. Mine had done this on both sides, its repairable. I know a company who will repair them and send em back. They look like this at the end  That's worst case scenario though |
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niwid
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It could be the hole in the hub has ovalled slightly over the years. Mine had done this on both sides, its repairable. I know a company who will repair them and send em back. They look like this at the end That's worst case scenario though That looks a good job! How much did it cost? What were the symptoms of that ovalled hole? Did the strut move about? |
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jonxs
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The symptoms where 'wooly' handling and the car used to tramline and wander under almost any conditions. That's how I knew they where a little fudged. Its the hole at the bottom of the hub for the TCA'S. The price was just for the repairs £80 but I paid a bit more as I got the bearings changed over aswell  |
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ChasR
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Yup, 205 balljoint holes in the stub axles can wear to become an 'egg timer' shape if the balljoints are too far gone I seem to recall a specialist saying.
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It can happen with most cars of this design, as the steel pin of the hardened ball is harder than the cast iron hub. It happened to a Polo of mine, heavily tightening a 12.9 bolt just stretched the hub casting, rendering the whole strut scrap.
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niwid
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Thanks for the help guys, I will take it apart this weekend and have a look at the holes, among other things. If it's over tightening the pinch bolt that causes it, maybe I should be paying a little more attention to the specced values.
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Ball joint hole too big? Pug 205Rich
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I didn't think usually pinch type pin ball joints have a taper and it sounds perfectly normal to me from experience. Post a picture of the ballpoint pin too for us Tim.
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Yeah, may not be much to worry about. The pin of the joint normally is able to slide a bit further than it needs to. If it was loose you would be movement between balljoint and hub. As long as there is no movement between balljoint and hub you should be peachy.
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Indeed on the Peugeots I have worked on there has been no taper on the balljoint itself. As for the bolts I would either get them from Peugeot or from a fastener shop who can sell you treated/galvanised bolts but not stainless items. Fasteners tend to be cheaper than the dealer until you mention treated bolts. Untreated ones will rust in no time on a daily, albeit galvanising spray can deal with it. But at least you know the one from the dealer will fit and be correct . My 306 had an incorrect bolt put in by a PO ; it was bent when I removed it :/. |
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Jan 13, 2016 17:23:50 GMT
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I did have a look at the state of things over the weekend. The hole wasn't obviously misshapen to my eye, but ball joints on both side were a lot Freer than last time I had it apart, plus the arb bushes looked pretty saggy, so I've gone ahead and ordered a pair of lemforder TCAs to fit
In other news, the engine is doing a very good job of rust proofing the engine bay, underside of the car...and the inside of the distributer. Picking up another engine tomorrow (£20, with carb, dizzy, newish clutch and exhaust manifold attached, with 80k on the clock and no obvious leaks!) so going to sling that in at some point soon too. Wish me luck
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Jan 13, 2016 17:45:57 GMT
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If I am not too busy with my other projects give me a shout . |
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niwid
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If I am not too busy with my other projects give me a shout . Cheers Chas, although I will be in Birmingham as I have nowhere to work on her in Leicester. I may be making a start this weekend, although I will have to get Emma's bike fixed first so that she can get to work. |
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Jan 14, 2016 21:06:01 GMT
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The pin is indeed the same diameter all the way down, check it with some verniers! It's perfectly normal for you to have to line the pinch bolt up with the groove in the pin!
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