Hi, Looking to maybe re-engine my CF, and would like a few suggestions, It's a 350 LWB twin wheel, and i want torque, good low down grunt and parts for the 2.3 are getting scarce and expensive. At the moment it's running the standard slant4 2.3 low compression engine, mated to a 5 speed ZF overdrive unit (5th = 0.81) driving the salisbury 15HA ( i think) with a 5.222 diff.
so decisions decisions... do i chuck my money at the slant, fitting flat top pistons, big valve head, bigger(twin?) carb, better cam etc or do i go for a swap? I don't want to have to start chopping the bulkhead but with the amount of room the cf has in there there's not much need to so i have an idea... 2.3 ford typeI4 16v (scorpio/galaxy) + mt75 box ( power output 145 hp (108 kW) @ 5600 rpm, torque = 210 N·m (155 lb·ft) @ 4500 rpm ), seems a good swap to me, although these engines are a bit thin on the ground a good used one can be got for £150-£200, seems like a good fit, plenty of torque to be had so should pull the cf quite nicely. or... Rover v8 / chevy v8...i know nothing about these at all it's all new to me, i've never had anything more than 6 cyls
Sounds like it is desperately underpowered. Here in NZ, and presumably in OZ too, those big CFs had an option for a Holden six. Perhaps one of the Vauxhall or Opel sixes of the period might be suitable. There are also plenty of V8 converted ones getting around here too, or at least there used to be back in the day.
Id be going with the vauxhall v6 engine. Nice and compact,parts are easy to find and the omega will come with rwd mounts,box,and manifolds. Plus the injection system will make it reliable and the mpg will be half decent. If you use the cavalier injection loom and pn ecu theres no immobiliser to worry about and only about 3 wires to get it started. (Ive got one in the for sale section too).
Manual cars aren't that rare and aren't as popular as the autos as I picked up a manual with lots of history that failed mot on rear upper arms for a few hundred quid a couple of years back . Suspension bits are quite dear and they are starting to rot under the sill covers now so donors are cheaper than ever . A mate used the jag box on a Saab conversion as the bellhousing bolts onto the jag so it was a straightforward adapter . I think the v6 Vauxhall stuff is drying up as the boxes are being hoovered up for Saab rwd builds and the omegas that are about are ropey old smokers from what I see
Jag v6 could be a good call - I've been eyeing these up recently as good transplant material as they come RWD and with a manual box if you play your cards right. I would avoid the Ford 2.3l engine for anything that big personally as I had a Transit 2.3 dual fuel (I'm assuming it's the same engine)until recently and although it drove well, it was low on torque and had a horrifying appetite for the juice - have just 'upgraded' to a '94 lowlux with 2.4 diesel and cant believe the difference in fuel consumption!
I put s Volvo 850 t5 lump in my old fiat Ducato and it gets the same mpg as the old diesel 2.5 but I'm now travelling 30mph quicker . As its fwd I used the Volvo box as well so the gearing is slightly taller than the Volvo down to the bigger van tyres . If the Bedford is quite low geared a bigger lump won't be as useful if the gearing doesn't take advantage of the extra torque .
Back in the early 80's my mate had a rover v8 in his. Gave everything you're after although it was mated to an BW auto and did about 18mpg! Easy conversion apparently. Probably to do with the slant 4 being half a V8........
Igor & monzaphil... I have toyed with the idea of a straight6, a mate of mine is thinking of sticking a chevy in his victor which would mean a very good 6 and auto box will be up for grabs, however, i've not seen the holden 6 engine bay so I'm not sure how much i'll have to relocate, i have been told i'll have to machine the nose off the crank and fit the rad right forward in the grille area, but it is an option.
'state.... another good idea which i have mulled over, although i think the twincam v6 is too tall and the heads are too wide...although if you have one for sale could you give me the dimensions of it please and i'll measure up to see how much (if any) i need to chop out
froggy & rust4life.... hmmm not thought of the jag one at all i just thought the cost would be prohibitive, and i don't know if the transit is the same but if it is that shows just what published power figures translate to in the real world, i will have to make more inquiries into the type I4, the volvo engine is a good call, good strong machines and plenty of power, also quite easy to work on and parts are available by the bucket load ...hmmm
Boom666... the saab engine is quite popular with the vauxhall lot, but i've heard it can be a little iffy to fit electronics wise
Duggers.. 18mpg! jeez...my cf manages 25 because of the 5spd, i can just about cope with that
joe90...another i hadn't thought of, you're right, those cars can be had for beer money and a complete donor car would have everything i need ... hmmm
well i think i've answered everyone there lol ... great ideas people, 'state i'll have a look at you engine for sale, but i won't be buying anything until the new year... 4 kids make great demands on the funds this time of year :/
Can't argue with the old di transit and they are so reliable a lot of perfectly good engines have been fragged now . I had two in a Luton body I keep stuff in at work and sat on them for 6 yrs but never needed them and they didn't move on eBay either so got weighed in when scrap was doing well . The early nineties t5 management Saab lumps are very straight forward to wire up with two relays but you'd need s 2.3 . I'm not sure about the jag wiring as I haven't stripped the one I've got but being a 2000 yr model I doubt it's more involved than keeping the factory immobiliser and speed signal from the gearbox . The jag does have a return less fuel system that would need to accommodate the pump to work properly .
I'm off up to the workshop thist afty so will grab you some measurements even if its just for future reference. They really are great little lumps tho with plenty of torque and very easy to work on. The omega gearbox is very reliable too and will handle much more power than you`ll be throwing at it.
Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
From memory with the CF theres a good reason you can't fit the Transit lump easily, maybe the steering rack or a crossmember?
The Holden 6 was fitted as special order to UK ambulances, with triple webbers hanging off the side you could make it go reasonably well and it should fit in the hole OK? Fuel consumption will be less painful if petrol prices keep falling