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Nov 17, 2015 22:39:23 GMT
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As above I'm looking into a project for te new year and i was planning on a rover v8 engine, ive had no dealings with tee v8 and i need a gearbox that will bolt straight on. Id like a 5 speed but would settle for a 4 speed if i had to. Which cars have the gearbox i need?
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Nov 17, 2015 22:55:43 GMT
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The only widely used 2wd 5 speed was the LT77 in the SD1 which was not particularly durable (I am on my third one). there were other transmissions used by the like of tvr and morgan, the r380 which was a development of the lt77 was one the borg warner T5 another. I also heard somewhere that someone was looking at a kit to use the mx5 trans.
If you get a lt77 make sure you get a v8 one, the bell housing is unique to the v8, the rwd lt77 and r380 also use a shorter inout shaft and bell housing than the 4wd ones.
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2015 23:01:20 GMT by kevins
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Nov 17, 2015 23:40:17 GMT
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I have to ask - why the rover V8?
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I have to ask - why the rover V8? *n Ive always fancied a v8 and i know a mate who has one for sale. Also i feel that the rover v8 would be a period modification for the car in question Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Nov 18, 2015 20:24:29 GMT
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As said The two main choices are the lt77 and the TVR T5 Only problem is cost The LT77 was used in most of the rwd rovers and triumph but only the SD1 was made to take the V8 torque The LT77 box is cheap on its own but the V8 bell housings are over priced And the TVR T5 box with V8 bell housing will set you back anything from £600 to £1500
Making the conversion expensive
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Kieran
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Nov 18, 2015 20:34:47 GMT
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LT77 also in Sherpa / freight Rover / ldv vans, just have very short first gear.
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Dez
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Which gearbox for rover v8Dez
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Nov 18, 2015 20:37:21 GMT
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with the over inflated prices rover stuff is going for these days, for the price of a RV8, manual box setup , ignition upgrades to sort the rubbish stock stuff, and exhaust/carb/manifold setup to give you 200hp, you could buy a SBC, manual setup and appropriate induction/exhaust upgrades to give you 350-400hp.
the SBC is shorter/more compact, and if weight is an issue you could stretch the boget a bit and go for ally heads on the SBC, the weight difference is then less than 30kg for the average setup.
cant quite see why anyone would go for the former tbh.
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Last Edit: Nov 18, 2015 20:39:55 GMT by Dez
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Nov 18, 2015 21:55:32 GMT
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It I amazing how expensive the rv8 stuff has become, when I converted my tr7 5 years ago the engine was £150 fully with carbs and all anciliaries, the V8 unique gearbox parts came to around £1oo, with the slf manufactured engine mounts and exhaust the whole lot came to less tha £400, nowdays you don't even seem to be able to get an engine for that. If I were doing it now I would be tempted to look at a lexus or bmw powertrain, you can pick up complete donor vehicles for around £400.
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Nov 18, 2015 23:39:39 GMT
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The rover V8 is a really expensive route, as a yank lump is a lot cheaper and parts more economically viable. Defo a SBC is the way forward, however , if you want a manual box, you will be limited to a Muncie box, and the are not cheep due to demand. A TH350 auto box, with a suitable torque converter will make a difference for quick take offs.
I'm currently helping a friend fit a crate 350ci (5.9L) SBC and a new TH350 box to his 50s Ford pick up. its looking at around a £4k bill inc the tuned inlet, carb and dizzy for it. All of that is new and all parts are readily available over here.
Compare that to apx £7k just for a 4.6L rebuilt turnkey Rover lump.
If you need an idea of sizes of the SBC engine and box I'm working with to see if that would fit your application, let me know and i will do some measuring for you.
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Or you can buy my Mopar 360 lump... More difficult to get bits for than the Chevy, but not impossible.
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Nov 19, 2015 14:03:32 GMT
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You could do a Lexus v8 with manual box for 2k and relatively good fuel consumption compared to a cast iron carb fed yank engine .
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Nov 20, 2015 13:51:19 GMT
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2k on a yank engine would have a power output to eat a 1UZ... With change.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:20:24 GMT
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Just. Suggesting alternatives as there are v8,s that were fitted to UK vehicles and are lighter , cheaper plus have stuff like fuel injection and lambda control so you could have double digit consumption in most applications with the Toyota and BMW v8,s .
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Nov 20, 2015 21:09:44 GMT
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Just. Suggesting alternatives as there are v8,s that were fitted to UK vehicles and are lighter , cheaper plus have stuff like fuel injection and lambda control so you could have double digit consumption in most applications with the Toyota and BMW v8,s . A lot of the misunderstanding that lies with yank lumps being thirsty , is that you tend to become lead footed due to the noise. My Caddy Hearse, although only having a 5L (305ci) V8 engine, I can get 25mpg out of it when driving normal to careful on the throttle, normal driving gets 20mpg and this was what i got driving to the RRG. Even doing the hill climb at the RRG 14 and the drive there i only dropped to 18mpg for the weekend. Yes, if you have a bigger lump and don't tune it correctly , low mpg will happen, as you will throttle it everywhere to try and get somewhere. A simple bit of tuning will always get better mpg. My GSi was turning in 20mpg, a quick plugs,plug leads, rotor and dizzy cap change sent that up to 27mpg. The good thing with a yank lump is the simplicity of them, you can make them as wild or as mild as you want and the parts availability is really good. At least the money you would save on the engine will get you a few miles worth of fuel out of it
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Nov 20, 2015 21:55:30 GMT
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Manual gearbox is where it starts getting expensive as said above t5 and Muncie boxes aren't cheap . Not knocking the old push rod motors but modern stuff isn't witchcraft and all the info is out there to make them work in a different car . One of my staff is converting his tr7 to rover v8 but has had to go through the motor and buy a weber and edelbrock inlet plus Mallory dizzy and headers to get maybe 200hp costing around a grand so far compared to £700 for my 1uzfe with microsquirt and all the other bits needed to get it running
The turbos were £300 and the manual set up has cost me a grand most of which was the r154 box
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Manual gearbox is where it starts getting expensive as said above t5 and Muncie boxes aren't cheap Word !! One of my staff is converting his tr7 to rover v8 but has had to go through the motor and buy a weber and edelbrock inlet plus Mallory dizzy and headers to get maybe 200hp costing around a grand so far this is a perfect example of how much a rover lump takes to get a few extra horses out of it
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whats an sbc?
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whats an sbc? I am going to assume that a man of your calibre is having a laugh about that . But for noobs: SBC - Small Block Chevrolet (V8) SBF - Small Block Ford (V8). .
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Nov 21, 2015 12:34:02 GMT
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Hard to believe how giddy RV8 stuff has got in just a few years. I picked up a full engine, low mileage, clean as a whistle inside with all ancillaries for 50 quid, just a couple of years before I left the UK!
Crazy the prices I see you guys talking about.
SBC or Lexus would have to be the way now, with a personal preference for the US engine.
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mk2cossie
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Nov 21, 2015 21:25:57 GMT
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If it's going in an old rwd Escorts, I'd go for a Sbf as it's narrower and easier to fit between the suspension turrets. And I personally prefer the sound of Ford's V8 over that gm thing
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