Neil
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Oct 20, 2015 11:02:56 GMT
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I've had a look on other forums but keep finding a lot of conflicting info I know there are quite a few knowledgeable BMW fellows on here so hopefully you can help.
A friend of mine is looking at swapping the m20b25 out of his E30 for a M50/52 and he said I can buy what's he takes out.
My 518 is manual everything and a carburettor model.
Are the subframes / mounts different? Will the 518 prop and diff be ok to mate with box? Will my steering box cause any problems? What ancillaries, wiring, pumps etc will I require.
And the big one...
Is it worth it?
Any help much appreciated and sorry for all the questions.
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2015 10:15:41 GMT by Neil
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rob0r
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Oct 20, 2015 11:30:46 GMT
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Are the subframes / mounts different? Subframe likely to be the same, mounts definitely will be M20 specific, use either E28 520i or 525e only
Will the 518 prop and diff be ok to mate with box? I doubt the prop will be the right length to work with the M20 box. Easiest solution is to find out what exact type of getrag box was used for E28 520i manual cars, see if that is the same exact type as fitted to the E30 325i. Gear linkage will also likely be different. Apart from the engine you are better off getting the manual box, prop and gear linkage from a E28 520i manual.
Diff depends what ratio it is, as long as it's around 3.73 or 3.91 it should be fine. If not, use E28 520i MANUAL diff.
Will my steering box cause any problems? I doubt it due to M20 being used in E28s. I can't remember if the M20 manifolds and exhaust downpipes used on E28s are E28 specific.
What ancillaries, wiring, pumps etc will I require. All ancillaries and wiring from the E30 engine. As yours is carb and therefore is far less pressure than an injection engine needs you will need an injection spec pump setup. I would use whatever pump is fitted to M20 or M30 injection powered E28s.
Wiring from the E30 engine will need to be spliced into the engine loom going into the fusebox though this is easy once you find out what colours match to what.
And the big one...
Is it worth it?
It's probably not as easy as you think, M10 and M20 are very different engines but both were found in the E28. It would be a bolt in swap IF you found all the bits to do so, and the E30 setup will not provide all the bits to do so. If you were mega keen to do this I would buy just the engine and then buy an E28 520i manual engine mounts, radiator, box, prop, diff, gear linkage. The simplest thing to do would buy a 520i manual donor.
You'll need a exhaust system as the 518 exhaust probably isn't big enough, E30 325 won't work. E28 520i/525e exhaust should work or try using the E30 one and get a custom one made. The cooling system maybe an issue, I'd try using an E28 M20 rad from a 520i manual, otherwise custom fit one. I'd use an electric fan to save messing with viscous fans, Range Rover P38 twin electric fans are £20 delivered off ebay and are obscenely powerful. You will need to be able to fabricate, source all the bits and think on your feet.
If you had an E28 520i manual it would be an absolute walk in the park and done in a weekend EASY. I've done a E28 520i auto to M20B25 but kept the autobox, it was great and quicker than expected. I ended up boiling the M20B25 as the viscous fan wasn't right with the E34 radiator I tried to use, hence my suggestion on electric fans.
It's worth doing but is not that easy.
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andyborris
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Oct 20, 2015 17:01:53 GMT
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I think for all the work you're going to put in (and don't forget the lack of available parts, these cars are getting on for 30 years old!), you might as well put the effort into fitting a M52 or later engine!
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Neil
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Oct 22, 2015 10:19:09 GMT
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Thanks chaps for the replies, lots of useful info. Much appreciated.
Yes, that was going to be my next question! If it's going to be a pain sourcing parts and converting anyway I might as well go through a similar amount by doing an M50/52 swap. I imagine that a donor car would be easier/cheaper to source too? Is there an ideal car I should go for? Lots of manual e36 328i's pop up for cheap money I've noticed.
In all what parts would I require and will it just be the exhaust manifolds I would need custom made? Thanks again. Neil.
Either way this isn't going to happen next week.. More of a plan/parts list for when I've finally sold a few of my fleet and have my garage back.
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2015 10:25:48 GMT by Neil
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andyborris
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Oct 22, 2015 17:49:46 GMT
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I'm not sure which is the best donor, a 3 and a 5 have different shaped sumps, so take your pick! An E30 gearbox (which may be the same type as the one in your car!) will bolt to a M52 engine using a shaved M20 flywheel and that flywheel may be the same as a M10 one (if you're lucky). I'd imagine that M52 exhaust manifolds won't need any modding to fit, they're very tight to the block and quite a good design too, just get the exhaust made to suit. However, I'd pass on the (almost!) plug 'n play of an M52 swap and go straight to a M60/62 V8 on an auto box......bit more work, but what car it'd make! In fact, can I buy your E28 and build it myself?
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Oct 22, 2015 18:35:27 GMT
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BMW have always been fairly good at parts interchangeability between series, but even so, a carburated 518 is (as mentioned) probably not the best base for this conversion form a practical point of view.
Whilst it might be the bottom of the range, Your particular variant of E28 is also now an incredibly rare one.
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