kenb
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Jun 21, 2015 16:17:27 GMT
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They were telling me at school lessons back in the mid 70's we would run out of oil by the year 2000. Its not happened yet- I don't believe the hype!!
My mate has a 1932 half cab Dennis bus which at its distressingly shaky best can reach 40mph but comfortably/safely 25mph. He no longer takes it far simply because of the increasing hassle- read hand shaking road rage he gets from other motorists who simply don't want to be held up. So I can quite imagine its the same for many of the same era cars.
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Jun 21, 2015 17:01:48 GMT
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you can make grain alcohols from bio mass just as easily as you can squeeze the oil out of it. i don't personally think vegetables are are saviour anyway, its just not viable in any shape or form in line our current carbon consumption.
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Jun 21, 2015 17:11:34 GMT
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in 40 years time can you see people getting nostalgic or having fond memories about their vecra LS, in the same way that people do now about mk1 cavaliers ? i just cant see it happening myself. not only have people changed, but also car culture I think this is right, the "bread and butter" cars of today will not become classics like the bread and butter cars of the 60's 70's and 80's because as someone mentioned cars, the climate and people have changed, i cant imagine many modern kids collecting and playing with Matchbox or Dinky cars (or the modern equivalent) spending hours like i did in the 70's pushing cars around a carpet with a town/roads/streets printed on it (anyone else have one of those ?), or playing with Scalextric, all kids want nowadays is the latest smart phone, sure there are kids into cars but not in the same way, and being born into a throw away society they wont be nostalgic about cars from the noughties (hate that term) in the same way most of us are nostalgic about the 70's and 80's. Also modern cars are just too technically advanced (not that that's a bad thing) they are just about impossible for the amateur mechanic to tinker with will be very expensive/impossible to restore or maintain in 20-30 years time. Already you see seemingly mint 10-12 year old cars in the scrappy due to failed or faulty expensive ECU's.
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72 Pontiac Firebird Formula 400. 95 BMW E34 525i Manual. 80 Lotus Elite, sold 86 Mk4 Escort RWD V8, sold
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86mike
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Jun 21, 2015 17:29:45 GMT
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I had a similar thought about usuability when my pal was selling his tidy 1989 635csi, it seemed nearly impossible to find a buyer and eventually he sold it for next to nothing just to get rid of it.
At first I couldn't understand why it had been such a struggle to sell such a "cool" car but when I gave it some thought I realised that other than it looking cool what use was it to anyone looking for a toy. I figured that most people looking for an old BMW would be looking for something like a M3/5 or perhaps something vaguely practical.
I assume the same applys for most areas of the classic car world, it has to be fun or have a purpose.
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goldnrust
West Midlands
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Jun 21, 2015 20:51:39 GMT
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I think this is right, the "bread and butter" cars of today will not become classics like the bread and butter cars of the 60's 70's and 80's because as someone mentioned cars, the climate and people have changed, i cant imagine many modern kids collecting and playing with Matchbox or Dinky cars (or the modern equivalent) spending hours like i did in the 70's pushing cars around a carpet with a town/roads/streets printed on it (anyone else have one of those ?), or playing with Scalextric, all kids want nowadays is the latest smart phone, sure there are kids into cars but not in the same way, and being born into a throw away society they wont be nostalgic about cars from the noughties (hate that term) in the same way most of us are nostalgic about the 70's and 80's. Also modern cars are just too technically advanced (not that that's a bad thing) they are just about impossible for the amateur mechanic to tinker with will be very expensive/impossible to restore or maintain in 20-30 years time. Already you see seemingly mint 10-12 year old cars in the scrappy due to failed or faulty expensive ECU's. Yes most kids wont push toy cars up the carpet making race tracks nowadays, but they'll play Gran Turismo and Forza and find cars to be excited about that way. Hell I've always had a soft spot for Toyota Celicas thanks to playing Sega Rally as a kid, and I ended up owning one for a while! Likewise these kids that can use a smart phone at age 4, are going to massively comfortable with computer technology and I'm sure will think nothing of reflashing an ECU in the same way that you or I think nothing of setting the float height in a carb. Life will find a way!
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Last Edit: Jun 21, 2015 20:52:30 GMT by goldnrust
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Jun 22, 2015 10:28:37 GMT
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Running out of petrol won't be an issue. Having old cars banned from being driven due to emissions might become an issue in the next decade or two, if things keep going the way they are! Certainly in the EU, there seems to be a significant appetite for banning old vehicles that don't meet a certain emissions level. They've already started with old diesels in certain city centres, this could eventually be expanded to the whole of Europe and include old petrol engines as well. This will very quickly force a huge number of cars off the road, if it happens.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Jun 22, 2015 10:43:07 GMT
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the laws theyve brought in here are either laughable or great though, depending which side of the fence you sit on. all true classic cars (i.e. those on historic status tax) are exempt from all pollution zoning laws, so you can drive them anywhere.
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Jun 22, 2015 11:09:05 GMT
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But if the emissions laws kill off all the pre-classic retro cars, there won't be any future classics!
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Jun 22, 2015 17:38:05 GMT
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in 40 years time can you see people getting nostalgic or having fond memories about their vecra LS, in the same way that people do now about mk1 cavaliers ? i just cant see it happening myself. not only have people changed, but also car culture I think this is right, the "bread and butter" cars of today will not become classics like the bread and butter cars of the 60's 70's and 80's because as someone mentioned cars, the climate and people have changed, i cant imagine many modern kids collecting and playing with Matchbox or Dinky cars (or the modern equivalent) spending hours like i did in the 70's pushing cars around a carpet with a town/roads/streets printed on it (anyone else have one of those ?), or playing with Scalextric, all kids want nowadays is the latest smart phone, sure there are kids into cars but not in the same way, and being born into a throw away society they wont be nostalgic about cars from the noughties (hate that term) in the same way most of us are nostalgic about the 70's and 80's. Also modern cars are just too technically advanced (not that that's a bad thing) they are just about impossible for the amateur mechanic to tinker with will be very expensive/impossible to restore or maintain in 20-30 years time. Already you see seemingly mint 10-12 year old cars in the scrappy due to failed or faulty expensive ECU's. My thoughts exactly
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Jun 22, 2015 17:48:09 GMT
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i can see both sides to the above point though.
in the 60s and 70s, cars were rotten at as little as 5 years old. there were loads of cars in the scrap yard at 10 years old with nothing wrong with them other then requiring a little welding. back then, welding gear was either much more expensive, much more primitive, or both, so to the average joe back then it was as big a hurdle as electronics failures are now. cars are still being scrapped at round the same age, arguably longer, but for totally different reasons.
just because kids these days play on GTA or whatever rather than pushing toy cars round and building model kits donest mean they don't have any interest in cars. theres still the coming of age/rite of passage thing of getting your first car, and the associated freedoms and experiences that come with it, that will send this current generation misty-eyed like their parents and grandparents were over mk1 escorts or 100Es or whatever.
whether that will translate into fiesta RS models and other lusted-after sporty models of whatever cars kids are getting these days becoming collectors items is another question, but that consumerist throwaway society is exactly what is driving up the price of surviving examples of fairly mundane 70s and 80s cars.
the other thing is, counter-culture is growing. i see and know a lot of younger people trying not to live their lives in the consumerist ways their parents have, and getting back to simpler pleasures and pastimes, and that includes classic cars that can be fixed at home.
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Last Edit: Jun 22, 2015 17:50:29 GMT by Dez
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Jun 23, 2015 10:10:15 GMT
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The rising prices of the hotter corsa b and mk1 focus models should show that they will go the way of their older generations.
I have a 90s sports car here that needed a replacement abs unit. £1000 plus coding and fitting from the dealer. Cannot be found secondhand. My 24 year old mechanic completely flashed a different abs unit from another car to use the original programming and fix the car for under £100 Inc labour. Black magic if you ask me but cars will not die off because of electronics.
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Jun 23, 2015 13:03:31 GMT
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^^^ Whats the quote about any sufficiently advanced technology being indistinguishable from magic?
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