🇿🇼Kingludba🇬🇧
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Jun 10, 2015 12:53:27 GMT
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Afternnon all
So, I am interested in buying a car that has no mot and obviously due to new road tax rules has no tax. I cant afford the inflated prices I have been quoted in transporting it the 70 miles so can anyone tell me if the following is legal....
1.purchase vehicle and get mot booked in at my local indy.
2. inform insurance company of purchase and get fully comp cover.
3. drive vehicle from place of purchase to local garage on day of mot test.
Will my insurance be valid if something where to happen and the car has no valid mot/road tax?
Would the fuzz pull me over in a lay by and do untold things to me for driving ilegally?
Would i receive ANPR generated tickets/fines for driving without mot/roadtax?
Let me be clear, I'm not trying to break the law here but seems to be a bit of a grey area and if I had the money I would just pay to get it transported
Thanks for your time/advice
Gav
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Jun 10, 2015 15:28:20 GMT
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I am no expert but as long as car has insurance and it IS booked in at an MOT station, so long as you take the most direct route TO the MOT place AND the most direct route home again after, then you are not braking the law.
(I know of someone who bought a scrapper in Scotland and drove it home this way!)
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vulgalour
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Please clarify for me...vulgalour
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Jun 10, 2015 16:20:48 GMT
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You should be okay. However, if you're driving the car 70 miles and you do get stopped it's very likely questions will be asked as to why you didn't use a closer MoT station. Also, if the car is in an obviously unroadworthy condition you're likely to get in bother and draw unwanted attention.
I have driven a car to a prebooked MoT with insurance but no tax and followed someone to an MoT station to do the same with no ill effect, drew no unwanted attention but also only drove about 7 miles. Some police officers know the rules, some don't and with it being a grey area it's open to interpretation. Could you defend your decision if you were pulled over and explain why you've done it? Would you be prepared to pay the expenses involved if you couldn't argue your corner?
In this situation, because of the distance involved, hiring a trailer or transporter is far more advisable and sensible. The risk is yours to take. I've known people take similar risks and have no problems at all even over greater distances.
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🇿🇼Kingludba🇬🇧
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Jun 10, 2015 17:27:38 GMT
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Thanks again, good idea to have someone follow behind me incase the old tow rope needs to be brought into action. Actually a towing pole seems like a good idea, providing they don't cost the same as transporting. Anyone used one?
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VIP
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Jun 10, 2015 18:18:10 GMT
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Could you defend your decision if you were pulled over and explain why you've done it? Would you be prepared to pay the expenses involved if you couldn't argue your corner? You are under no obligation to defend your decision, since the Law doesn't state you must attend your closest MOT station. Unless a defect is found with the vehicle, there would be no Legislation to prosecute you against, therefore you wouldn't have to pay any expenses arguing your corner. |
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VIP
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Jun 10, 2015 18:22:09 GMT
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Afternnon all
So, I am interested in buying a car that has no mot and obviously due to new road tax rules has no tax. I cant afford the inflated prices I have been quoted in transporting it the 70 miles so can anyone tell me if the following is legal....
1.purchase vehicle and get mot booked in at my local indy.
2. inform insurance company of purchase and get fully comp cover.
3. drive vehicle from place of purchase to local garage on day of mot test.
Will my insurance be valid if something where to happen and the car has no valid mot/road tax?
Would the fuzz pull me over in a lay by and do untold things to me for driving ilegally?
Would i receive ANPR generated tickets/fines for driving without mot/roadtax?
Let me be clear, I'm not trying to break the law here but seems to be a bit of a grey area and if I had the money I would just pay to get it transported
Thanks for your time/advice
Gav There is no set maximum distance in Legislation that you may travel to a pre-booked MOT. If you are stopped, as long as the vehicle is roadworthy there is zero possibility that you will get in trouble, since you've broken no Law. It's also a fallacy that you must take the most direct route and you're not allowed to stop anywhere on the way. There is certainly the possibility of getting an automated NIP from a ANPR for no MOT or Tax, however these would be easily defendable if the car was pre-booked at an MOT station. |
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taurus
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Jun 10, 2015 19:16:18 GMT
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I've done this several times, not as far as 70 miles, but about half that, never had a problem. Just obviously make sure it's roadworthy.
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🇿🇼Kingludba🇬🇧
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Jun 11, 2015 16:45:20 GMT
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I've done this several times, not as far as 70 miles, but about half that, never had a problem. Just obviously make sure it's roadworthy. Roadworthy..... no mot = not road worthy? What constitutes a road worthy mot-les vehicle? I suppose all tyres need to be above legal limit and lights/indicators should be working. But how far does one go to make sure its roadworthy before setting off without putting it through an mot? I suppose its another gray area waiting to be pounced on when pulled. Thanks for advice guys it has helped in my decision making just waiting to see if my offer has been successful. Gav |
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Jun 11, 2015 17:21:31 GMT
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To cover the "roadworthy" aspect.....
....All lights working
....Working wipers & washer
....Legal tyres
....Handbrake good enough to stop plod pushing the car
....No flappy bodywork bits or obvious jagged holes (duct tape??)
....No smokescreen being left
Anything that a grumpy traffic officer could easily check at the roadside really
ANPR is probably the biggest worry
Nick
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VIP
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Jun 11, 2015 18:09:08 GMT
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I've done this several times, not as far as 70 miles, but about half that, never had a problem. Just obviously make sure it's roadworthy. Roadworthy..... no mot = not road worthy? What constitutes a road worthy mot-les vehicle? I suppose all tyres need to be above legal limit and lights/indicators should be working. But how far does one go to make sure its roadworthy before setting off without putting it through an mot? I suppose its another gray area waiting to be pounced on when pulled. Thanks for advice guys it has helped in my decision making just waiting to see if my offer has been successful. Gav No MOT does not equal not roadworthy, just as an MOTd car CAN be unroadworthy. If your unMOTd car passes the MOT, this means it was perfectly roadworthy beforehand. |
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colnerov
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Jun 11, 2015 18:17:50 GMT
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Hi, if you decide to tow it on the rope or rigid bar it still needs to be roadworthy and insured.
Colin
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Jun 11, 2015 20:51:03 GMT
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What about A-framing? Does everything need to be legal for that?
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Jun 11, 2015 20:59:41 GMT
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A framing unless you are towing with a lorry is basically illegal anyway as the car on tow isn't braked so in most cases you will be over the maximum unbraked towing weight for your tow car.
I know this doesn't stop people using them happily and successfully.
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A framing unless you are towing with a lorry is basically illegal anyway as the car on tow isn't braked so in most cases you will be over the maximum unbraked towing weight for your tow car. I know this doesn't stop people using them happily and successfully. The general rule seems to be as long as the set-up doesn't look like shonk and/or dangerous, the Feds are content to leave you be. There was a vid on YouTube I saw of a guy loading a CF full body camper onto a dodgy tall two-wheeled dolly and one of the front wheels slipping over the cradle. Took them ages to jack/lever the thing back into cradle, and when finally done, the guy got into his 1.2 Clio tow vehicle and left...slowly! |
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🇿🇼Kingludba🇬🇧
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Jun 12, 2015 14:45:12 GMT
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Hi, if you decide to tow it on the rope or rigid bar it still needs to be roadworthy and insured. Colin No way?  ? I did not know that. Luckily I have never done anything like that in the past  !! And yes... ANPR cameras and equiped vehicles will be the challenge. [.................No MOT does not equal not roadworthy, just as an MOTd car CAN be unroadworthy. If your unMOTd car passes the MOT, this means it was perfectly roadworthy beforehand.............. ].....Good point! |
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Jun 12, 2015 15:02:31 GMT
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And yes... ANPR cameras and equiped vehicles will be the challenge. I'd call it more of an inconvenience than a challenge. Get pulled over by an ANPR car, its going to be a few minutes by the roadside confirming your pre-booked MOT and probably a look over your vehicle. Get an NIP from an ANPR Camera, and it's going to be a written defense, probably accompanied by a letter from the MOT Centre confirming that you had an appointment on that day. It's really nothing to be worried about, as long as you are confident that the vehicle will pass basic roadworthiness inspection. Obvious items like tyres, lights, bodywork, no loose/wobbly wheel bearings, no leaks or smoke. |
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bstardchild
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Please clarify for me...bstardchild
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Jun 12, 2015 18:57:16 GMT
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Could you defend your decision if you were pulled over and explain why you've done it? Would you be prepared to pay the expenses involved if you couldn't argue your corner? You are under no obligation to defend your decision, since the Law doesn't state you must attend your closest MOT station. Unless a defect is found with the vehicle, there would be no Legislation to prosecute you against, therefore you wouldn't have to pay any expenses arguing your corner. Exactly that - I got stopped at the end of a 200 mile journey driving a car with no tax and no MOT to a designated pre-booked MOT station (I was driving the car and a mate was following) I informed the officer I was dropping it off outside the MOT Test Station for a test first thing the next day (off the road parking area so no issues there) The only snag was at the time I was stopped it was shut....... The officer wasn't exactly happy about the situation but I was taking the most direct route and the car was insured (had docs to prove) and I knew it would pass an MOT. The officer went round the vehicle, checked all the lights, tyres, windscreen washers etc and decided that he really couldn't do much except check with the test station the next day. He did however follow me the remaining 11 miles and watch me park the car up and post the keys thro the letter box - all of which I had no issue with. He damn well did check the next day too!!! it did pass but he never asked that as it really didn't matter....... |
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Jun 12, 2015 19:36:22 GMT
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Was much easier when you could send Dhlamini !
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!! And yes... ANPR cameras and equiped vehicles will be the challenge. 