cjhillman
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May 23, 2015 18:05:23 GMT
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Hi all! My Escort 1.1 is always pretty rough on start up when idle. I live in a street with a lot of cars so sometimes it cuts out a few times before your out the space. Recently its been okish but, it still has a tendency to cut out in the middle of the first junction you come to.... Maybe it just me but it seems full choke or less choke its still going to stop sometimes. Dry or wet weather. I've had the car over two years now but, its my main car now so its becoming a problem. As of yesterday It seems to not want to idle without some choke anymore... battery light starts appearing and it idles rough. So heres what i've done: Checked the Gap and re-gapped the plugs. Replaced the HT leads Cleaned up the contacts on the distributor Seems like no change at the moment. Is the timing off or something? I'm not sure if theres much i can really do?
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May 23, 2015 18:41:18 GMT
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VV carb ? Ditch it for a weber .
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May 23, 2015 18:43:44 GMT
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My Mk2 did the same thing - timing was out, I'd give that a go.
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May 23, 2015 20:11:01 GMT
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Air leak, causing weak mixture? Or possibly the tickover needs speeding up a touch Ttfn Glenn
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cjhillman
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May 23, 2015 21:03:14 GMT
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I'll check for any leaks tomorrow morning. i'm wondering if its the tickover to be honest. Is that adjusted on the carb?
Dave, i've not checked which carb it is... the car is really reliable/later model so, i guess it is a weber. We had one when i was a kid which was converted to a manual weber from VV. I heard a lot about it.
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cjhillman
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Had a good go over the car today. Give it a much deserved oil change and had a look at the carb ...Blasted some compressed air through the needle valve jet and cleaned the dirty petrol out of the float chamber. Put it all back together, kicked it up and it still was running rough. Adjusted the mixture screw maybe a 1/4 of a turn and its seemed to cure it, although its only ran in the drive.
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cjhillman
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Could it be a vacuum line? Do you have one from the dizzy to the carb? I'm sure it was that or the one that went to the brake servo on one of my cars had perished and split causing a similar problem?
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I'd chuck that VV in the bin and get a weber
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bortaf
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The VV is (or was) a very good carb,,, when they work which by now is not very often, give all the pipes and mating points a good spray with WD or similar and listen for the revs to rise, if they do there's a leak where you just sprayed. What colour is the dizzy cap? blue caps are known for the earth inside braking down causing erratic firing? TBH i'd be checking the timing with a light and making sure it's stable on idle and swings with some revs but TBH it most likely is the carb in neeed of a rebuild/change.
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cjhillman
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Turns out that didnt fix it at all so i need to return the screw to where it was. Its the VV with manual choke. Its not horrendous all the time (i've heard some awful stories) its just getting a problem in traffic.
After checking the timing would it be worth me taking it off and stripping it down etc? Not sure if i could check the timing myself...
Was thinking of going the webber but they seems quite expensive.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:44:40 GMT
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VVs were brilliant when new, but after about 80,000 miles they did suffer with problems, most of which can be cured by proper cleaning, replacement of diaphragms & making sure that everything's tight (especially the choke unit which were always working loose). Ford used to sell new VV carbs for less than a Weber conversion & I'd always pick the VV.
You do also need to check things like distributor cap & valve clearances too, but it's probably the carb, buy a gasket/diaphragm kit, remove the carb, strip it completely & blow it out with loads of carb cleaner.
Oh & inlet manifold gaskets used to split around the ports too, try spraying a little carb cleaner around the contact faces while the engine is running & see if it's makes a difference, but try not to spray the dizzy cap!
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2015 18:47:33 GMT by chinno204
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cjhillman
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Oct 25, 2015 18:14:55 GMT
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Just reading over all this info again. It seemed to be fine for the last few months but now its back to running problems. Its mainly now rough after startup and throughout the drive when you put your foot down. it jogs along the car and feels rough. If your very light on gas it's kind of ok. i'm guessing its starving it of fuel weirdly on the second drive even if its a couple of hours later, it can be alright or not as bad anyway :s Had it apart once so might have to try again. I can't afford a webber right now.
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Oct 25, 2015 18:42:40 GMT
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Are you using any form of fuel additive?, do you let the tank run low/empty between fills.
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cjhillman
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Oct 25, 2015 19:08:30 GMT
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Never run empty but sometimes it gets a bit too low and i am aware of that... really trying to makes sure i don't run that low. I used Redex before and it didnt seem to do anything.
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Oct 25, 2015 19:20:32 GMT
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I take it it's still on manual choke?. If so does it run any better when given a little choke when its running?. When you first start it does it fire straight away or after a few cranks
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cjhillman
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usually when I go out with full choke it will fire up straight away. Then sometimes it seems to start running rough. As you pull away it can sometime start to die and crawl to a stop unless you battle with the choke for a while. I've kinda got the hang of this and maybe thats just how these cars are? never owned a manual choke before this.
The problem that I'm trying to fix (when it seems like its being starved or flooded when you put your foot down) i'm hoping will fix that first problem too. Sometimes using the choke a bit will help this problem.
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taurus
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They were never that brilliant to begin with though once you got used to them you could get them to run OK. Most of the basics have been covered, so I assume you've checked the plugs, filters, vacuum lines etc.
Sounds like there's two issues (at least - there always is on Fords).....
You always used to have a point where they'd fired up cold and then get to the stage where they were partially warmed up and then they'd go lumpy because it is still cold to run without choke but warm enough to be too rich with choke. It's getting the manual tickover adjustment set up right so that on partial choke you get enough rpm to keep it running through that transition phase. As the weather changes the settings need to be tweeked as well. To be honest - back in the day - I used to set mine up for the summer and then over the winter there was always a set if lights I knew it wouldn't idle at. So I'd got into the habit of dropping it into neutral coming up to the lights, left foot on the brake and right foot feathering the throttle to keep it running. On good days the lights were green. On bad days they went to red just at the wrong moment and you'd be stuck with a half-warm engine at the front of a traffic queue and the blighter was a devil to restart.
What I'm saying is that they won't run as smooth warming up as FI engines, if it's your first manual choke part of the fun is learning what driving was like when that was all we had. Doesn't mean you can't set it up a bit better though. Sounds like one issue is the partial choke idle setting.
The other problem you say you're trying to fix, hesitation when putting your foot down - well that sounds like it's a bit lean, but there's lot of other things you need to check as well. I recently had a devil of a job getting mine to run right as it would intermittently bog down when I opened the throttle. It felt like it was lean but I knew the carb settings where OK. In the end it turned out to be the vacuum advance plate had worn a groove into the bottom plate and it was sticking. If you've got a strobe connect it up with the vacuum advance still attached. I know you don't usually do timing that way, but you're not checking the timing, make sure the advance is consistent and the timing mark is stable (doesn't matter where it is - so long as it's stable and it moves as you open the throttle.)
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Oct 26, 2015 12:15:02 GMT
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As above I suspect it's running to lean, if it struggles to pull away under load. When the plugs came out where they black or brown. If it where me I'd try upping the mixture a touch, also try the idle screw as I'm guessing there's no rev counter a healthy warm idle should be around 900rpm.
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