bxer
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Jun 11, 2007 15:38:29 GMT
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Fit an F1 driver's cell thingy... they seem to be jolly good these days Thanks Mr vicsmith, I'll accept your doffing as I ride a bicycle in central London traffic ;D
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Jun 11, 2007 16:29:01 GMT
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These days my musical taste is better LIES I TELLS YA ;D We'll need some proof if you go making wild claims like that on here
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Jun 11, 2007 18:17:22 GMT
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you think this is VZi?
Man I never even been there but even I know any suggestions of discussing music results in mentioning of "go to VZi"
As does mention of cats.
I can only assume its a cat loving musicians forum. Or something
but currently oddments from: The Horrors, Devilish Presley, Nekromantix, etc.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Colonelk
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Jun 11, 2007 18:18:21 GMT
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Alistair.... those groups go which way in terms of good to bad? LOL (ie is group 1 very good or very bad)
As for this debate...... Ive thought about this in the past. IMO your best bet is making the passenger cell as sturdy as possible (stitch welding) and not strengthen the fore and aft sections of the car. Therefore in a crash, they act as your 'crumple zones'. Good idea? Bad idea?
vicsmith.... I used to ride my bike most days a week in London! Including the A406 and other fun sections. TBH I found it quite fun, as you could usually tell when people were about to do something stupid, and seeing as there are few hills.... it was actually quite hard to get up enough speed to not be able to stop quickly. The only time I nearly had a problem was getting cocky coming down a wet hill when someone pulled across in front of me and stopped. I soon learnt my lesson! wet hills on a bike = go slow!
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Jun 11, 2007 18:26:03 GMT
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If I'm going to fall asleep whilst doing 95mph on the motorway and barrel roll into a field of startled sheep with no hope of the emergancy services reaching me for hours, I'd rather do it in some nice new curtain-airbag moose-proof volvo or sommert.
However, I maintain that I am rather MORE LIKELY to experience said event in just such a vehicle.
If I am attempting the same speed / journey in a shonky old pile, chances are I am going to be wide awake with fear of stuffing it into the scenery. Ergo, it is less likely to happen.
I have undertaken a 'scientific assessment' of this, by nearly fall asleep at the wheel every time I drive a newer car for any length of time.
DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?
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mk14dr
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Jun 11, 2007 21:37:05 GMT
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i know what you mean pog'. It always worries me how detatched from the actual business of driving modern cars make you. I mean a new astra is quiet, comfortable etc... but with its mile of dash before the screen and 2' deep doors its more of a cacoon than a car
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Jun 11, 2007 21:47:31 GMT
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I'm in a similar school of thought as colon elk, cage up so a roll, and you'd be fine, side bars offer side impact. though I read or heard somewhere the front is not so strong, maybe I dreampt that but generally, the cockpit holds up cool, still some squish all around. I'll drive this car entusiastically, on the track of course New cars bore the curse word outta me like mk14dr said, but I did drive my mechanics corner shop ride ford ka, think it was a 1.3 quite rewarding buzzy drive, probably not safe though ;D Also, yes we both ride bikes through Manchester, Ms R had a spill froom a blind Astra Driving chamelion not her fault at all but shook her up as she rolled down the side and over the back, good job it was a 90's bubble and not a pick up truck etc but annoying, felt bad in front of here parents they think we're daft. shes nearly as streetwise as me now but lost confidence, its taken away my silly side a bit, but still my fave way to travel in rush hour, just use that 6th sense. people are fugging ignorant and stupid.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Hirst
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Jun 11, 2007 22:01:50 GMT
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If I'm driving my dad's 407SW, it ALWAYS feels like you're going slow. You can be going a steady 30mph on a main road and feel like you're at jogging pace, only the speedo reminds you what speed you are doing. Whereas with an old car you seem to have much more connection with the road. If I'm going over the limit in the Charmant, the suspension reminds me!!
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Jun 11, 2007 22:05:44 GMT
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The problem with seam welding too, just to throw it in incase it didn't come up totally, is that most of the cars that it's applied to were being designed on the advent of crash safety and the inclusion of basic crumple zones. Seam welding affects the way the car's structure responds to the crash and in most cases it has an adverse effect on safety, causing it to deform in dangerous and unexepected places.
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Hirst
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Jun 11, 2007 22:09:06 GMT
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Another comparison to make would be "cut and shuts", though I don't think that happens that much nowadays. The problem with a car like that is not the fact that it is too weak in a crash, it is actually that (unless it has been done dreadfully) it is too strong!
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Colonelk
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Jun 11, 2007 22:19:51 GMT
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As for new vehicles. I have only been driving my new van (T5 transporter) for a month so far and have lost 2 cars in the a pillars! Thank god for look twice! And the pillars arent anywhere near as thick as my bosses Navara. Tis madness.
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madmart
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love is: valvebounce in top gear
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thirded pog and mk14dr, modern cars have the same effect on me too! especially on long motorway journeys. too much isolation from the rest of the world in a modern car.
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fourthed
I drive much faster in our Mazda (1992 modern LOL) than older cars because its so quiet, anticeptic, high geared... you really can't do 30 in 4th. You have to school yourself to use 2nd and 3rd not top. Or you end up doing 45.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 12, 2007 10:56:33 GMT
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I once borrowed my mum's 6-speed Megane diesel, one of the new big-bum ones. Cruising down the M1 in no hurry, I noticed I was wafting along at 120mph and promptly backed off a bit. And this was at 2250rpm or something, certainly not thrashing it. I did work out after that if I could redline it in 6th it'd do 215mph or something crazy.
Anyway the point is in a retro, I'm more aware of what's happening. Certainly 120mph in any of my cars would be accompanied by loud noises, bits falling off, and probably smoke. I'm more aware of what is happening outside because I'm going slower, and should I have a motorway accident it'd be at 65mph rather than 100mph.
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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MdR
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T coloured S
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Jun 12, 2007 13:09:34 GMT
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Wearing your seatbelts can save your life. (Yes, it's a real one)
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Jun 12, 2007 13:25:00 GMT
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Ouch! Back of a lorry?
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Jun 12, 2007 17:15:18 GMT
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I tend to view driving my Imps (or other classics) as halfway between riding a motorbike and driving a modern car in terms of safety. Although I have to say it's way harder to speed in an Imp and not notice Graham
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Jun 12, 2007 18:13:14 GMT
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Some excellent safety features that can apply to a whole host of cars, old and new: (These of course only work while the car is moving at speed, preferably just as you are merging onto a notorious stretch of motorway)
Having a pretty good idea that the timing belt wont have been done and that its 20K or so past its interval.
The realisation that you may well have made a mistake with the overly complicated dipstick markings and as a result could easily have put up to 2 litres too much oil in.
A pang of uncertainty regarding the tightness of the wheelnuts, as you rotated the wheels this afternoon and got distracted towards the end by a burgeoning discussion with your neighbour about building hovercrafts in the shed.
And for Peugeot 406 owners:
Suddenly being unable to be absolutely certain that you havent erroneously filled the expansion bottle with 15/40, PAS fluid or DOT4, because it looks nothing like an expansion bottle.
Volvo should take note.
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2007 18:20:31 GMT by vicsmith
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Jun 13, 2007 13:51:48 GMT
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Wearing your seatbelts can save your life. What he said. Me and a mate walked (actually ran) out of here with barely a scratch But we were young then, and you crash better when you're 17
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Jun 13, 2007 14:32:14 GMT
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I guess Smart cars are not so good then, as the cockpit is rigid and few bits to squash around it
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