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Mr A takes his car to a car dealer, he part exchanges it for a new car and drives off. Mr A is a bit slow though, he hasnt sent off his yellow v5c/3 yet (or doesn't bother) to get his tax refund or ring up and notify dvla he is not the owner anymore.
Mr B comes along and wants to buy Mr A's old car from the dealer, the dealer has all of the remaining V5C. mr B checks .gov website and it still says "tax not due" because the car is still legally taxed by Mr A.
so the question, can Mr B tax a car that's already taxed?
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Ryannn
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Apparently so, there was a thread about it recently.
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I bought a car and haven't received the log book back. I taxed the vehicle shortly after buying it - if I sell the car, the tax will go back to the person who owned it previously surely? I don't think they thought this one out properly, it's full of holes.
I'm sure phoning them up will sort it out.
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I bought a car and haven't received the log book back. I taxed the vehicle shortly after buying it - if I sell the car, the tax will go back to the person who owned it previously surely? I don't think they thought this one out properly, it's full of holes. I'm sure phoning them up will sort it out. As long as you've put the correct dates on the V5 it'll work itself out. However, say you bought the car on the 5th, taxed it, sold it on the 20th, you'll pay a month, but the previous and new owners will also pay that same month. It's well thought out, it's skimming additional revenue off us mugs. |
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I don't think they thought this one out properly As above, I think they have thought this out brilliantly. It's basically an extension of Gus Gorman's scheme from Superman III. |
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sal
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They also issue refund from date they receive paperwork via Royal Mail and process it. It's not the date of sale written on the v5 that they take into account.
I signed over a car on 25th november last year and it wasn't processed until the beginning of December which meant I received no refund for December as its issued for full months only. So for that car the DVLA will have received a tax payment from both myself and the new owner for November and December.
A stupid system but one which is no doubt earning them a few extra pounds when cars are sold.
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Apparently so, there was a thread about it recently. or 20  |
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They also issue refund from date they receive paperwork via Royal Mail and process it. It's not the date of sale written on the v5 that they take into account. I signed over a car on 25th november last year and it wasn't processed until the beginning of December which meant I received no refund for December as its issued for full months only. So for that car the DVLA will have received a tax payment from both myself and the new owner for November and December. A stupid system but one which is no doubt earning them a few extra pounds when cars are sold. Presumably if you sorned it online the day after the new owner picked it up you wouldn't have lost December's tax to the new vehicle tax scam? |
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1900sr
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They also issue refund from date they receive paperwork via Royal Mail and process it. It's not the date of sale written on the v5 that they take into account. I signed over a car on 25th november last year and it wasn't processed until the beginning of December which meant I received no refund for December as its issued for full months only. So for that car the DVLA will have received a tax payment from both myself and the new owner for November and December. A stupid system but one which is no doubt earning them a few extra pounds when cars are sold. Not so sure about this. My step lad bought a car a couple of weeks back on a Sunday which had tax on the screen. He didn't realise that the tax didn't roll over. When I checked online the following Saturday the car was showing untaxed as of the Sunday he bought it. |
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sal
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They also issue refund from date they receive paperwork via Royal Mail and process it. It's not the date of sale written on the v5 that they take into account. I signed over a car on 25th november last year and it wasn't processed until the beginning of December which meant I received no refund for December as its issued for full months only. So for that car the DVLA will have received a tax payment from both myself and the new owner for November and December. A stupid system but one which is no doubt earning them a few extra pounds when cars are sold. Not so sure about this. My step lad bought a car a couple of weeks back on a Sunday which had tax on the screen. He didn't realise that the tax didn't roll over. When I checked online the following Saturday the car was showing untaxed as of the Sunday he bought it. I don't doubt that's correct as your step son is required to tax from the date he bought it so they will make sure he has to backdate it to the start of the month in which he purchased the vehicle. But as the seller you only receive a refund for full months of unused tax and in my case the time it took for DVLA to process took me into a new month. My loss and their gain. As stated above had I sorned it online I may have avoided having to pay the tax for December. |
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Absolutely, sold a car on 1st nov and dated the paperwork as such, even posted it the same day. Back in the good old days if you claimed the tax back and the envelope was dated the 1st then you got the whole month refunded.
In our case they stung us and only refunded from December, it's a great swindle to make two people pay.
My advise only sell at the end of the month and buy at the start. Easiest way not to get stung is to SORN the car (you or vendor) close to the end of the month and don't transfer the car on paper (or for real unless you really trust them) until the 1st or after . Remember the SORN is not transferable across owners so vehicle is liable for tax from date of sale.
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i think my question was...
tax refund is not issued until V5 hits DVLA door mat, < or that but scrapped, < that but exported, or sorned, or change tax class, or apply for new tax disk, or previous owner rings up and asks for refund.
so if you buy a car saturday, keeper sends off V5 on tuesday, wednesday, whenever he gets round to it, the vehicle is still taxed, so tax is kind of transferred with the sale, but not transferred between registered keepers. whats to stop you driving it home on the P/O tax
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1900sr
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Feb 11, 2015 21:35:25 GMT
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But the tax will be cancelled from the date of sale, backdated if you like. So while the car will still show on the system as taxed and fool ANPR, it won't officially be. This could be an issue if you get stopped by the authorities.
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Feb 11, 2015 22:13:23 GMT
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^if you then tax it as soon as you get home or whatever you then backdate to cover the whole month in which you bought it so retrospectively you have had tax on it since you bought it. Driving it around for a few weeks afterwards and getting stopped then could prove a little more awkward. Unless you have traders insurance and don't need to change it and "forget" to send in the yellow slip until the tax is up...  As top original question, you ring up and they ask you for your details and it's taxed again from that date. |
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both excellent points and about the only logical bit of the new system !
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