GT4ME
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Sept 7, 2014 16:43:34 GMT
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Rite av had a good think... A very easy/fast and light option is a bike engine. Been looking at either gsxr 1000 or 1300 busa engines with a bolt on turbo and map. Good for 280 bhp. 15k rpm revving behind your head would sound out of this world!! And bikes have sequential gearboxes as standard... You can also get a button shift upgrade that is done by a hydro ram on the gear selector so no need to make linkages. Just 2 buttons on the steering wheel for up and down.. With forged pistons you can make 400 - 500 bhp..  Off the track a little but would be a weapon!! |
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Sept 7, 2014 17:23:25 GMT
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I hear that they really don't last long in car from the extra weight .....
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Sept 7, 2014 18:09:04 GMT
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I appreciate your comment. But it is a common conversion so surely they are successful. Bike engines are not designed to last as long as car engines. Due to there high revving finely tuned components. But they work very very and and very cheap! This isn't going to be a daily driver, and surely the benifit of having something that weighs very little in the back compared to a huge lump but provides the same power will be advantageous.
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Sept 7, 2014 19:15:38 GMT
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Yeah I know that I won't be 6r but it would have the 4 part of it haha..maybe I was wrong to say replica. But you know what I'm kind of meaning. He can shortern the shafts to suit the 6r4 kit aswell as the prop. And he does build a full cage through the car to all the pick up points. Basically making it a frame with your tvery thin shell over it. I thought about the peugeot 3.0 V6 which is fwd. that in the back and a custom subframe in the front with wishbones and rack from another car. He can fab anything to fit anything. Them engines are 210 bhp standard with a custom mani and exhaust, camshafts and a remap you will see 260-270 bhp. Matt i very much doubt you will be getting a later 406 v6 engine in to a different shell, it's a multiplex engine so a real ball ache to get running with out the complete loom been used or an expensive aftermarket ecu. And it's not that simple to get 260 bhp from them even with cams, if it was every one would be running that sort of power in the coupe club. And also the 4 part equals 4 wheel drive how would you sort that out |
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Sept 7, 2014 19:38:55 GMT
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Yeah I know that I won't be 6r but it would have the 4 part of it haha..maybe I was wrong to say replica. But you know what I'm kind of meaning. He can shortern the shafts to suit the 6r4 kit aswell as the prop. And he does build a full cage through the car to all the pick up points. Basically making it a frame with your tvery thin shell over it. I thought about the peugeot 3.0 V6 which is fwd. that in the back and a custom subframe in the front with wishbones and rack from another car. He can fab anything to fit anything. Them engines are 210 bhp standard with a custom mani and exhaust, camshafts and a remap you will see 260-270 bhp. Matt i very much doubt you will be getting a later 406 v6 engine in to a different shell, it's a multiplex engine so a real ball ache to get running with out the complete loom been used or an expensive aftermarket ecu. And it's not that simple to get 260 bhp from them even with cams, if it was every one would be running that sort of power in the coupe club. And also the 4 part equals 4 wheel drive how would you sort that out I've decided not to go with the pug engine anyways.. Was just part of a discussion and eliminating engines. The bit I was on about getting the 4 part was the possibility of a guy that I've spoke with can drop and Audi TT engine and Quattro 4x4 system in to any car. He says the metro would be no problem at all!! Loads of fab work but he uses a jig to recreate the same mountin and pickup points that the Quattro system has on a TT or S3. Just uses the cars wheel base and shorterens the props and shafts. Very handy bloke. |
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Sept 7, 2014 19:49:09 GMT
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This is never going to happen. You can sort of read it from the posts. A bit like a premonition - everyone is thinking it.
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Sept 7, 2014 19:59:21 GMT
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I agree , i thought that to begin with but thought id humour him .
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Sept 7, 2014 20:06:33 GMT
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How can you add pictures on here??
I will show you my current 205 Dimma build that I'm doing.. Fully forged gti6 lump with GT3071r, quiaffe box running 710 management ect ect. Comp spec car!
Just so you know I'm no bull shitter!
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Sept 7, 2014 20:08:12 GMT
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Wouldnt you want to do t16 build then ?
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Sept 7, 2014 20:15:43 GMT
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It is a T16 look a like. Just it's Fwd... The T16 405 transmision it's a pile of wibblepoo.. I have one but it's heavy/old and out of date and would actually slow the car down.
205 is far more adgile fwd and won't spin the wheels @450bhp anyways as it's got a tran x plate diff.
That's why I wanted a new project for next year.
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Sept 7, 2014 20:16:46 GMT
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How can you add pictures on here?? I will show you my current 205 Dimma build that I'm doing.. Fully forged gti6 lump with GT3071r, quiaffe box running 710 management ect ect. Comp spec car! Just so you know I'm no bull shitter! I was literally about to ask what you've currently got/had in the past.. Keen to see this |
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Sept 7, 2014 20:21:12 GMT
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Well your original post is asking for help finding someone to do the work , but you already have someone ....
I'm outta here.
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Sept 7, 2014 20:26:53 GMT
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How can you add pictures on here?? I will show you my current 205 Dimma build that I'm doing.. Fully forged gti6 lump with GT3071r, quiaffe box running 710 management ect ect. Comp spec car! Just so you know I'm no bull shitter! I was literally about to ask what you've currently got/had in the past.. Keen to see this Unsure what his problem was but never mind!! How do you upload pics on here?? I'm only on my phone so can't see where you can do it. |
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Sept 7, 2014 20:53:49 GMT
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adam73bgt
Club Retro Rides Member
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Club RR Member Number: 58
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Metro 6R4 replicaadam73bgt
@adam73bgt
Club Retro Rides Member 58
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Sept 7, 2014 21:46:35 GMT
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Just been browsing this.. If you don't mind using the Audi TT quattro system and having the engine in the front but you don't want it to be a 4 cylinder, why not just use a V6 TT donor?...
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Sept 7, 2014 22:44:47 GMT
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That's a good point indeed mate!! Very good point!! You then still get the V6 roar.. It would be then a 6F4 which is a good effort  |
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Sept 8, 2014 20:17:33 GMT
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don't forget however - there's not a gnat's bollok chance in hell of ever getting this road-legal.
In which case... you can forgo the legal side, of having to have all power through the same gearbox. You could easily fit a T series up front (which can take upwards of 500Bhp worth of abuse).
Just in case you didn't know however, the mgf subframes (front and rear), are just mildly tweaked Rover 100 subframes. So using more of the Rover parts-bin, you may be able to find some rear arms that would allow you to gain RWD output (shortened and modified rover 45 arms maybe?)
Then chop away half of the bulkhead, and with a mish-mash of gearbox parts, fit the freelander IRD (the bit that makes it 4wd) to gain yourself a 4R4. Whilst you could in theory fit the KV6 (which the freelander came with, so the gearbox bit is easier) there's no way in hell you'd ever fit on in the front of a metro... ever
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Last Edit: Sept 8, 2014 20:21:22 GMT by chairchild
You're like a crazy backyard genius! |
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Sept 8, 2014 23:51:59 GMT
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If you were to do this it wouldn't be cheap so why curse word around with MGF subframes, uneccessary weight for starters, surely mounting points would be incorporated in tothe cage/chassis plans? And jeez, if you're wanting to build a sports car don't use any Freelander parts! Plus if the guy can fit TT gear surely he's work out suspension geometry and make custom arms and uprights etc to suit?
I've been drawing up my own plans for a 6R4 rep for years, based around a mid mounted KV6 with a couple of small turbos bolted up to a Quaife/Tran-X type transaxle. Should look the part even if the gearbox might stick out the back a little. You don't need 4WD in a well set up mid/rear engined car due to weight transfer for traction and if well planned the weight distribution would negate the need for it for cornering grip, too. I'm still on the engine build stage trying to get my hands on a dummy box to design a bell housing/flywheel/clutch set-up from. Nowt nastier than "replicas" that look ok from the outside but poorly thought out everywhere else.
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Thanks for that Guys
I've been speaking with my fab guy today Harvey from HR Engineering. He's going to do all the work!! The man is a Genius when it comes to this work.. We have decided to go with the 1300 gsxr turbo option either MR or FR set up. I know it's not 6R4 but it sure will fly!! And I will have the body work down to a T along with some original 6R4 wheels that I've got a hold of. We are going to space frame the rear and engine bay and get make a custom coilover set up getting rid of that Hydrogas set up. Me and my old man will be doing the body work as that's the way he makes a living. So nice and cheap on that side of things. I've posted a few link previously for anyone wanting to see my current 205 T16 build.
Matt
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