BT
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Jun 21, 2014 12:35:21 GMT
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Hello Retro Rides.
I am looking for a little bit of urgent help pretty quickly regards a problem I have.
The story is.
I sold our old MX5 to a chap I work with, I had it in one of my garages and said to him that it was ok to stay there, just collect it when he could. Well I now am moving storage units and he has to come and collect the car, I spoke to him at the start of the week and he said he would be down sunday to collect. Now every time I go near the car I fire it up and let it get to temperature and then shut it down again.
Last Thursday evening I did this and went to pull the car outside so that he can collect the car on sunday, not happening.
I started the car up like I usually do, jumped in, pressed down on the clutch which felt normal and as It should do but when I went to stick the car in 1st gear it is just not having it at all, it just will not go.
I shut he car down and tried selecting the gears with the engine off, the selector has full movement and is in fact selecting the gears as it should and as it has always done. Start the engine up, press down on the clutch pedal and there is no way I am selecting a gear.
The car was put into storage in August, I must have last moved it around Christmas time and it has probably sat since then.
I did consider starting the car up in gear but didn't want to cause any further damage.
Can anyone speculate as to what the fault is? Is there any way I can get this problem solved so that I can move the car?
Any help will be grately appreciated, if any more information is needed please ask and I will be happy to provide it.
1995 J-spec import 1.6 manual.
Thanks
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omega
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Jun 21, 2014 13:12:47 GMT
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when you but it in gear with the engine off is it going in gear? eg if you try to push the car is the gear engaged
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BT
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Jun 21, 2014 13:20:19 GMT
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I have to admit I have not tried that. If I can push the car with it in gear what would this suggest?
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omega
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Jun 21, 2014 13:30:28 GMT
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well it would show that the gears are engaging so the gearbox is working. you could also try jacking it up and turning the wheel to see if the prop is turning
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Last Edit: Jun 21, 2014 13:31:08 GMT by omega
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Jun 21, 2014 13:49:36 GMT
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Sounds like a stuck clutch,check if it goes in gear when the enigine is off. If it does then try moving the car where you have a bit of a clear run, then leaving it in gear either try starting it in gear or dragit with something to free the clutch. Or jack it up,run it in gear and then begin pumping the clutch to try free the plates.
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Last Edit: Jun 21, 2014 13:51:00 GMT by sprintmini
1965 Morris Minor 1000 soon to be 1380 1997 MK1 MX-5 1.8 (sold) 2009 MK3 MX-5 2.0 (sold) 2008 Mini Cooper (sold) 2003 Mini Cooper S (sold) Fixed wheel Raleigh Clubman (sold) 1982 Yamaha RS125DX (sold)
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Jun 21, 2014 13:51:43 GMT
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I'm 100% certain that the clutch is not disengaging, rather than the fault being in the 'box.
The MX5 has a hydraulic clutch, so it could be that the seals in the master or slave have failed, resulting in no movement at the clutch when you push the pedal. Quick check if to look at the fluid level - if there's no fluid in the reservoir, then this is likely to be the problem. However, you said that the pedal felt normal, and if the hydraulics had gone they wouldn't.
The other possibility (and the one which I'm 99% sure is the case) is that the clutch friction plate has rusted onto the flywheel - this is more likely the damper the garage is. This results in a normal 'feel', as the likage etc. all works perfectly, but it just doesn't disengage. Worst-case scenario is that you have to drop the gearbox to take the clutch off, but there's a good chance you can shock it free:
-Push/tow the car to a large ard/private drve/etc. Somewhere there's not too much to run into. -Start and warm through then stop the engine. -Block the clutch pedal down - you want it trying to desengage, but you want both feet free for the other pedals. -Put it in 1st gear and start the engine. The car will kangaroo away as it starts, and you'll probably need a bit of throttle to keep it running. This in itself may free the clutch. -If not, build a little speed so the engine's running around maximum torque speed (5500rpm for the early 1.6), then floor the accelerator with your right foot and immediately stamp as hard as you can on the brakes with your left foot - this will transmit the maximum shock to the clutch, hopefully freeing it from the flywheel.
Do keep your wits about you; driving with no clutch like this is 'interesting' especially if you need to stop in a hurry. If you need to stop you can probably slip the lever into neutral as long as you're not accelerating hard or using lots of engine braking. Worst case, just stall it with the brakes.
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taurus
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Jun 21, 2014 15:40:27 GMT
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Or - simply fire it up and leave it idling for a couple of hours. Usually the clutch will just free off of its own accord once the engine heat seeps through into it.
If that fails you can try more interesting methods, but nine times out of ten simply leaving it running for a good length of time does the trick.
Obviously do not do this inside the garage!
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ferny
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Jun 21, 2014 19:29:15 GMT
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Yep, clutch is stuck (and the brakes might be too, so be warned).
Heat soak it and it might come off, as already said. Sometimes starting it with it in gear and with the clutch pedal down can free it, but it's not gentle. The way I do it is to jack the back of the car up and get it secure on axle stands. Start it up in gear and rev the car so the rear wheels spin up. Then with my foot on the clutch I jab the brakes. Always make sure the clutch pedal is down otherwise it can't free off. It's not subtle and many say it's unsafe, not really sure why... But it works every time for me.
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Jun 21, 2014 19:45:48 GMT
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That used to happen to my sister's Bedford TK every winter too followed by the joyful task of freeing it off, as others have said, foot on the clutch, start in second gear and keep going round the block (country lanes!) until it goes bang, hoping nothing gets in the way. One time I must have done a couple of miles at a brisk jogging pace before it let go.
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Siert
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Jun 23, 2014 16:48:14 GMT
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I've had this same problem. As said before, foot on clutch, select gear, start engine. Mine came loose after the car leaped forward a meter or so.
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Jun 25, 2014 17:03:07 GMT
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My MX-5 won't clutch won't quite clear when it's cold or its been laid up a bit. Usually have to switch engine off, put into first then start up, the handbrake is easily enough to hold it back and my right foot does a bit of A pedal duty to keep it running.
In my case the clutch will drag a little bit but it's not actually stuck on or engagued. As soon as it warms up it goes back to normal, it also gets better with daily use, then reverts to previous if I don't use if for a few weeks.
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BT
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Jul 12, 2014 17:34:22 GMT
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Thanks for all of your help.
I started the car up in second, gave it a boot and stamped on the stopper.
Everything went back to normal and the car is outta here.
Thanks for all of your help.
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Jul 13, 2014 10:27:32 GMT
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Happens to my Yugo, the friction plates stick together. Just put it in gear, depress the clutch and then start the car.
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ferny
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Jul 13, 2014 12:39:55 GMT
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My MX-5 won't clutch won't quite clear when it's cold or its been laid up a bit. Usually have to switch engine off, put into first then start up, the handbrake is easily enough to hold it back and my right foot does a bit of A pedal duty to keep it running. In my case the clutch will drag a little bit but it's not actually stuck on or engagued. As soon as it warms up it goes back to normal, it also gets better with daily use, then reverts to previous if I don't use if for a few weeks. Are you sure you haven't got a slightly weeping hydraulic system with a little air in it?
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Jul 14, 2014 11:01:24 GMT
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Maybe, but it never looses any fluid, I tried to bleed it using the good old 2 person method and it didn't get better either.
Maybe I should look into it a bit but right now it's summer, it's in daily use and it's doing ok.
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'55 Austin A30
'71 MGB GT
'72 Datsun 240 shed
'72 Mercedes 240D
'79 Firebird
'86 Austin Maestro Van
'91 Mercedes 250D
'91 BMW e34 535i Sport
'92 Mazda MX-5
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Jul 18, 2014 13:56:35 GMT
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The long curly metal clutch pipe almost always has some air in it, a real curse word to bleed properly!
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Jul 18, 2014 22:09:28 GMT
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Good to hear it worked. Had this with my old scooby, I actually booked it in for a new clutch and decided to drive it over. After a few miles a clunk was heard and the clutch worked again. Great news for me, much apologies to the garage!!!! Never any issues afterwards either.
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