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Apr 28, 2007 11:53:05 GMT
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Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored
Rover 75 - Barge
MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer...
MGF - The Golden Shot...Stored
Project Minion........
Can you see the theme?
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Apr 28, 2007 11:56:10 GMT
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Bored of these already.
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Apr 28, 2007 12:23:38 GMT
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Sign it, but don't worry about it. Can you really see five grands worth of mint BMW 535, becoming instant scrap overnight? And thats before we start on R-reg Carreras, Land Cruisers etc.
In fact we should stop talking about this one, this is how rumours start, anyone ever seen the film about the "big one" on the San Andreas fault, all the seismologists were saying it was gonna happen, but they wouldnt evacuate the city, because they figured more people would be killed in the stampede to get out than would be killed in the earthquake, and it could be a false alarm (it wasnt, and being a 70`s blockbuster all sorts of insignificant characters fell to their deaths or were crushed/drowned, saying things like "You guys go on without me, Ill only slow you down" etc.
Its the same with this, if people start murmuring about 10 year old cars being banned, people will stop buying cars that are near to 10 years old, values will go through the floor and everything will end up getting scrapped anyway!
In fact, this may well be the idea behined the whole thing, they know they cant make it work so they`ll set toungues wagging and that will do the job for them! Look whats happened to old 4 x 4s - tax hasnt gone up on them but all the ignorant tossers that were gonna buy an old Frontera Sport think they`re ten grand a day to tax and no-ones buying them anymore.
So, in the nicest possible way - EVERYONE SHUT THE F*CK UP ABOUT THIS!
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Apr 28, 2007 12:24:14 GMT
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They do work though. Road pricing has been kicked _so_ far into touch we're not going to hear it again for a very long time.
As to this one - I'll sign it but I don't think any gov would be quite that stupid. Forget classic car owners and redro riders, think of the masses of unremarkable people who drive unremarkable cars made before 1997.
Easy way to save yourself the cost of an election if you're a political party - do something that annoys so many people that you don't need to bother standing next time. Like I said, even they arent that stupid.
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Apr 28, 2007 12:27:17 GMT
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This is never, ever going to be enforced, lets be honest.
So lets all chill and continue enjoying old motors!
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Apr 28, 2007 12:33:22 GMT
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Good point abut road pricing Herald, and its defiantely worth signing the petition, I just get the feeling sometimes that they are trying to "give us enough rope" - start enough of a whisper about something to cause panic which results in exactly what they are trying to achieve, without looking bad because they never actually brought the law in. I cant think of any other reason why any member of a political party would be talking about such a ridiculous idea.
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Apr 28, 2007 12:40:45 GMT
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Would actually be more useful to keep an eye on the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (www.fbhvc.co.uk) who I imagine would have a BIG hand in telling the MPs not to be so stupid.
There is a serious case of Petition Fatigue here and the danger is that with so many cropping up as an over-reaction, the chances are that if a road-pricing situation kicked off again, people would be much less inclined to sign up.
The FBHVC saw off ownership tax (where you would have to pay road tax even if your car was in bits in the garage) and have real power with MPs. If Retro Rides was an official club, I'd seriously recommend joining up with the FBHVC as they need the support of classic car enthusiasts around the country. 2CVGB is a proud member.
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Apr 28, 2007 18:53:46 GMT
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Scaremongering and propaganda?
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Ban on 10-Year-Old cars?BenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
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Apr 28, 2007 19:07:53 GMT
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Would actually be more useful to keep an eye on the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (www.fbhvc.co.uk) who I imagine would have a BIG hand in telling the MPs not to be so stupid. There is a serious case of Petition Fatigue here and the danger is that with so many cropping up as an over-reaction, the chances are that if a road-pricing situation kicked off again, people would be much less inclined to sign up. The FBHVC saw off ownership tax (where you would have to pay road tax even if your car was in bits in the garage) and have real power with MPs. If Retro Rides was an official club, I'd seriously recommend joining up with the FBHVC as they need the support of classic car enthusiasts around the country. 2CVGB is a proud member. Good point, they pack quite a big political punch and are on our side. I too am getting pretty tired of random petitions. I can see what they're trying to do, but I think it would be far more constructive to petition agains specific things, such as the proposal to ban older cars from Edinburgh for example, than to make a petition about general anti-classic car legislation which may or may not happen, hasn't been thought of yet, or a mate in the pub mentioned...  |
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Apr 28, 2007 21:15:45 GMT
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They do work though. Road pricing has been kicked _so_ far into touch we're not going to hear it again for a very long time. As I understood it, the plan for road pricing was more of a "we might do this in quite a few years" and indeed it still might happen, all the petition did was raise awareness of the public's view of it. Which they could have guessed anyway. As for a ban on 10+ year old cars, I can only assume it's the product of rumour, chinese whispers or even a plain old prank. There must be dozens of MPs who are into classic cars (in the Jaguar E-Type sense, not the red oxide Marina V8 sense), and as has been said there's millions of perfectly road legal cars pre-1997. 1994 saw the introduction of tighter emissions tests so they're not even all nasty polluters. |
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Who names himself Trevor.
Or one day you might find
He's not a real drug dealer.
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Apr 29, 2007 18:41:12 GMT
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This could be a case of making a threat to ban cars older than 10 years knowing it will all kick off and cause a kerfuffle and using the distraction to push something less idiotic but just as unfair though while everyones distracted. Either that or meeting us "half way" and scrapping cars 15 years old on safety grounds.
Its all total curse word anyway IMHO.
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Apr 29, 2007 20:59:44 GMT
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The Petition against Road Pricing did absolutely nothing to stop the Government from looking at the system, and potentially testing it. They will still go ahead as planned, although the system apparently has so many failings that we hope it will never work anyway.
I've had enough of these Petitions now, all they serve to do is raise public awareness and scaremongers through 'Chinese Whispers', but physically they will not sway the decitions of the law makers because they don't care what Joe Average thinks, only the Fat Cats that line their wallets.
The petition system was introduced as a 'pressure vent' to allow all of us sheep somewhere to express ourselves, and THINK that we are making a difference, because if we sign an online petition and think something will happen about it, we are must less likely to approach the subject through other media.
It is supposed to keep us happy whilst the wheels keep turning in the background, nothing more!
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