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Mar 12, 2014 21:42:48 GMT
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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forde
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Mar 12, 2014 22:05:01 GMT
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taking your mirror off seems pretty stupid, your going to pull out in front of someonr and get wiped out Your reply seems pretty stupid, seeing as all I have to do is turn my head to see the part of the road that the mirror would normally show me without turning my head. Plus as I said in previous posts, there will be wide angle blind spot mirrors mounted on the inside of the door to give me a decent portion of what the external mirror usually would. turning your head will show you the road directly beside you not far back in the other lane. whatever man removing your mirrors and fitting curse word tyres and overinflating them seems pretty dumb to me. plus you have to bimble around like a granny which youll be sick of doing after about one minute. if you really wanted to save money you wud just put her on bio or veg oil
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Last Edit: Mar 12, 2014 22:05:58 GMT by forde
'15 Royal Enfield Continental GT '95 CZ 125 Type 488 '91 Vespa PX125E '77 Camino, '86 Camino '82 Puch Maxi S '70 Puch Maxi N '80 Maxi S "Sport"
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Rich
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Mar 12, 2014 22:18:55 GMT
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Your reply seems pretty stupid, seeing as all I have to do is turn my head to see the part of the road that the mirror would normally show me without turning my head. Plus as I said in previous posts, there will be wide angle blind spot mirrors mounted on the inside of the door to give me a decent portion of what the external mirror usually would. turning your head will show you the road directly beside you not far back in the other lane. whatever man removing your mirrors and fitting curse word tyres and overinflating them seems pretty dumb to me. plus you have to bimble around like a granny which youll be sick of doing after about one minute. if you really wanted to save money you wud just put her on bio or veg oil You must have either a bad neck injury or wear a neck brace when driving.. I can turn my head far enough to see cars in other lanes.. I often do in addition to checking my mirrors. Just in case..
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VIP
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IIRC coasting is illegal, though how anyone would know... The thing about in gear/not in gear - some cars, IIRC, will shut off fuel supply when off throttle, in gear - fairly sure my injected Golf and Audis ('80s stuff) did this, whereas if you coasted the car would obviously use fuel to idle. Coasting engine off would lead to depleted servo on some braking systems, yadda yadda - you all know the realities, but I'm of the opinion that pulse/coast is in gear, and the gearing is relevant to the driving conditions - motorway, it's gonna be top gear unless you want extra engine braking to conserve something else somewhere else. Coating being illegal is an urban myth, although you will fail a driving test by doing it, as it is deemed as not being in proper control of the vehicle. Having said that, you'll fail for crossing your arms when steering for the same reason, so its not really that realistic. The problem of coasting whilst in gear is that engine braking will slow your car a lot faster than free-wheeling, and therefore you spend more time on the accelerator during a journey that you would free-wheeling. Therefore the gains through engine braking coasting (and the zero fuel consumption only applies above 1500rpm as the idle circuit comes on under that), are vastly outweighed by the increased time spent accelerating. If you read any guide to Pulse and Glide, it will tell you to freewheel out of gear. The most extreme hypermilers use Engine Off Coasting, but I wouldn't advocate that at all.
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stealthstylz
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I want to see how fast it goes with the aero mods.
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adam73bgt
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Bookmarked this as it seems like an interesting project also mirrors are overrated, I see a lot more with a glance over my shoulder than I do with a cursory glance in my largely useless bullet wing mirror Does the SDI have a DPF or something which could do with cleaning out or blanking off to get some efficiency back from the engine?
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VIP
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Your reply seems pretty stupid, seeing as all I have to do is turn my head to see the part of the road that the mirror would normally show me without turning my head. Plus as I said in previous posts, there will be wide angle blind spot mirrors mounted on the inside of the door to give me a decent portion of what the external mirror usually would. turning your head will show you the road directly beside you not far back in the other lane. whatever man removing your mirrors and fitting curse word tyres and overinflating them seems pretty dumb to me. plus you have to bimble around like a granny which youll be sick of doing after about one minute. if you really wanted to save money you wud just put her on bio or veg oil Thankfully, I was blessed with the full range of motion in my neck, plus I've inherited the skill of making my eyes move too, so I pretty much have 360 degrees of vision from the Driver's Seat. Now, to offer a layman's explanation, I've made these pretty pictures. The red line represent the A, B and C pillars, the green circle the drivers noggin, and the blue lines are mirrors. The first shows the scope of vision using the existing mirrors, plus direct vision. Not much in the way of blind spots. Now lets remove the wing mirrors. So this opens up a couple of blind spots to the rear, although nothing particularly drastic. I always have the option of, you know, moving my head a bit. Finally, if I add in the internal blind spot mirrors. That pretty much eradicates the blind spot on the N/S, it doesn't help that much with the one on the O/S, but it does help with vision in the 3o'clock to 5o'clock area.
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Last Edit: Mar 13, 2014 12:17:02 GMT by VIP
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Mark
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Mar 13, 2014 10:07:56 GMT
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Cool project dude. I've never been bothered with the pulse and glide technique as constant speed is far more comfortable and more relaxing.
What are your first mods?
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Mar 13, 2014 11:38:30 GMT
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Hi l believe the legal requirement is for two mirrors in the uk one of which must be the interior mirror, unless it can not be used say in camper van or van with solid bulkhead, so you could remove the passengers side ans make the drivers side one smaller. For OEM eco models they usualy block off the grille in areas that are not required for cooling, fit narrower tyres and lower the ride height. I think getting it upto 100mpg will be quite a challenge doing aero and weight save mods alone, infact some of the high mpg vehicles today are petrol powered small capacity engine's because it is easier to atomize petrol, for air fuel mix.
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VIP
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Mar 13, 2014 12:06:06 GMT
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Hi l believe the legal requirement is for two mirrors in the uk one of which must be the interior mirror, unless it can not be used say in camper van or van with solid bulkhead, so you could remove the passengers side ans make the drivers side one smaller. For OEM eco models they usualy block off the grille in areas that are not required for cooling, fit narrower tyres and lower the ride height. I think getting it upto 100mpg will be quite a challenge doing aero and weight save mods alone, infact some of the high mpg vehicles today are petrol powered small capacity engine's because it is easier to atomize petrol, for air fuel mix. Air blocks, lowering and less rolling resistance is definitely on the cards. Ignoring hybrids, since the MPG figures factor in the input from the electric motor, without which the consumption figures would be much lower, the top 'combustion-only' cars for MPG are as follows; 1. Renault Clio 1.5 dCi 90 ECO – 83g/km, 88.3mpg - Diesel 2. Hyundai i20 1.1 CRDi Blue – 84g/km, 88.3mpg - Diesel 3. Kia Rio 1.1 Ecodynamics - 85g/km, 88.3mpg - Diesel 4. Smart Fortwo cdi - 86g/km, 85.6mpg - Diesel 5. Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTi 95 EcoFlex S/S – 88g/km, 85.6mpg - Diesel 6. Citroen C3 1.4 e-HDi 70 Airdream EGS – 87g/km, 83.1mpg - Diesel 7. Peugeot 208 1.4 e-HDi 70 EGC – 87g/km, 83.1mpg - Diesel 8. Skoda Fabia Greenline - 89g/km, 83.1mpg - Diesel 9. Renault Megane 1.5 dCi 110 Stop and Start – 90g/km, 80.7mpg - Diesel 10. Fiat Punto 1.3 MultiJet 85 - 90g/km, 80.7mpg - Diesel
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Last Edit: Mar 13, 2014 12:13:40 GMT by VIP
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Mar 13, 2014 12:16:56 GMT
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I'm suprised about the tone of some of the comments in here. They are not very retro rides.
I think this is a fantastic idea. I'm not familar with ecomodding, so I'm hoping to learn a lot and I look forward to seeing how this project progresses.
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Colonelk
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Mar 13, 2014 12:26:32 GMT
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From experience.... driving is the biggest factor.... Keeping the cruising speed low is key for better MPGs, although obviously you spend longer on the journey. That really is key. Its hard not overtaking trucks though. Even going up to the speed of Coaches is an MPG hit. Tyres pressures make a great difference. The cavalier runs max sidewall pressure all the time. I saw a decent gain with that. I think you are on the right track. With SVO being 85p a litre at the moment, the "equivalent Dino" mpg goes up too. I didn't realise these were veg friendly mind (not that I've ever looked into it!) When looking at MPGs on ecomodder.com don't forget most of them are american, and american Gallons are smaller You going moon discs then? Rear spats? As far as mirrors go, personally Id keep at least one external one, I tried a wide angle rear view mirror and all that really did was show me more of the interior. I was planning on ditching the passenger mirror, but opted to keep it for ease of driving / parking etc. Its amazing how much info you subconsciously take in from it in your peripheral vision. Your call though obviously. As Dan says, the Highway Code says coasting is "not recommended" and thats it. Not illegal. Engine off coasting.... probably more iffy. I don't think Id try that again unless I was in a non-ps car with an electric vacuum pump.
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Last Edit: Mar 13, 2014 12:36:40 GMT by Colonelk
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Mar 13, 2014 12:32:03 GMT
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If you want to pursue the weight saving route without wrecking practicality, I believe the 3L Lupo and the Lupo GTI have lighter aluminium bonnets, doors and maybe bootlids fitted. Changing the bonnet means moving to the VW front end, but the doors and tailgate should be a straight swap.
Other things for weight loss, perhaps remove or install smaller silencers on the exhaust to shed some kilos, de-wiper the tailgate (for extra scene points), plexiglass rear side glass, lose the spare wheel and carry tyre foam and a compressor?
If you are sitting idling in traffic a fair bit, it may be worth rigging up some form of stop start mechanism on the engine? Not great for starter motor longevity but will save you a few mpgs towards your target.
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Last Edit: Mar 13, 2014 12:33:42 GMT by whitbytom
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Colonelk
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Mar 13, 2014 12:35:24 GMT
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If you are sitting idling in traffic a fair bit, it may be worth rigging up some form of stop start mechanism on the engine? Not great for starter motor longevity but will save you a few mpgs towards your target. I had one of those.... was the key and my hand Have to bear in mind the impact on the battery and what not, but if you pull up to lights and KNOW they take 2-3mins on the cycle then I switch off. At least I used to, I got pretty slack when running veg
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Colonelk
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Mar 13, 2014 12:37:47 GMT
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Also, that norweigan guy has LOADS of youtube videos.... I ended up on them about a month back, cant remember why, I think he runs a sporty Lupo diesel as well.
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Mar 13, 2014 12:42:55 GMT
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If you are sitting idling in traffic a fair bit, it may be worth rigging up some form of stop start mechanism on the engine? Not great for starter motor longevity but will save you a few mpgs towards your target. I had one of those.... was the key and my hand Haha! I thought of that, on occasion when I have turned off at the lights in the past my mind wanders off. Next thing you know the light is green, the car is in front moving off and typically I'd panic, fire it up and try and set off in 3rd gear with the handbrake on!
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1967 Morris Traveller 1971 Series IIA Land Rover 1991 Golf GL 4+e 1992 Corrado G60 1986 E28 BMW 528i
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VIP
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Mar 13, 2014 13:04:20 GMT
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Also, that norweigan guy has LOADS of youtube videos.... I ended up on them about a month back, cant remember why, I think he runs a sporty Lupo diesel as well. Now he's hit his goal of 2l/100km, he's pulled the 1.2 3cyl TDi to put into an A8 (that's not a typo) to see what MPG he can get out of that. The Lupo is now having a tuned 1.9TDi and he's aiming to break the 300kmh barrier in it!
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Mar 13, 2014 13:15:06 GMT
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My bmw is curse word on fuel if i try amd cruise at 50-56, fine at 75-80 though :lol:
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village
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Always carries a toolbox. Because Volkswagen.......
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Mar 13, 2014 13:21:18 GMT
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If you are sitting idling in traffic a fair bit, it may be worth rigging up some form of stop start mechanism on the engine? Not great for starter motor longevity but will save you a few mpgs towards your target. I had one of those.... was the key and my hand that's all very well, but do you have to factor in the extra weight of carrying colonelk around with you all the time. I'm not sure the benefits outweigh the costs.......
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"The White Van is strong with this one...."
Chris "Chesney" Allen 1976-2005 RIP
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Mar 13, 2014 13:36:02 GMT
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I had one of those.... was the key and my hand that's all very well, but do you have to factor in the extra weight of carrying colonelk around with you all the time. I'm not sure the benefits outweigh the costs....... HAHA
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