g40jon
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I want to get some opinions. A week or so ago I bought some wheels. Saw the advert on ebay, but did the deal outside of ebay. The advert looked fine, nice big pictures, so no reason to doubt the seller. They also had good feedback. So I went ahead and bought the wheels for £185 delivered. Now for £150 I expected to recieve a set of wheels that were at least round! They turned up and the fronts looked, but the backs of the wheels on all 4 are scuffed fairly badly and two of the wheels have dents/flat spots on them. So I messaged the seller, stating that two were damaged and that I would like to return them for a full refund. The seller refused my request for a refund and asked for pics (had they bothered to look at the backs of the wheels they would have seen they were damaged!) I have even offered to return them at my own expense, but I get the feeling the seller is reluctant to take them back, am I being un-reasonable? He has offered a £30 refund towards getting the wheels fixed, so the main question I want answered is would you take the £30 and try and get them repaired or is it too much of a risk? I had planned to use the wheels on my mx5, but there is no way I would be happy to run them in the state they are in. I often take my 1 year old daughter out in the mx5, so there is no way I would even consider using a wheel that I think might be suspect. Yes the dents are probably repairable, but it is also plausable that the structure of the metal could be damaged, maybe even cracked. I can't see £30 even coming close to being enough to get them straightened and crack tested. here's the pics I sent the guy wheel 1 wheel 2
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Contact the ebay resolution centre and say items not as described Ebay are very pro buyer and quite anti seller ! go through their process, may cost you the postage , but a fair chance your money will be refunded
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I think you up curse word creek as you did the deal outside of ebay its not nice so maybe just take the 30 pounds,or go round his house and throw them through his windows
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g40jon
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Thanks for the reply. I didn't go through ebay, but that isn't relevant anyway (paid through paypal, so can pretty much do the same thing). I simply want some advice as to whether they are repairable for sensible money. If there is a fair chance the wheels could be straightened and tested without spending silly money on them, then I might keep them and get them done.
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Contact the ebay resolution centre and say items not as described Ebay are very pro buyer and quite anti seller ! go through their process, may cost you the postage , but a fair chance your money will be refunded [/quote He won't get anywhere if he did the deal outside of Ebay . I'm afraid you have been a victim of peoples different perspective , its happened to me before . To be fair , the wheels are bashed about a bit but the are usable . The seller may not have even looked at the inside of them , and in his oppion are ok . It happens all the time with cars i.e small anount of rust and its rotten as hell . I thinks those rims will all ways be bad , you wont get them perfect . I would cut my losses and get some more , possibly from mx-5 breaker .
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Also ive had dented wheels like that and they had to be scrapped as the balancing weas fine untill you got to 70mph and then the wheel felt like it was coming off
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g40jon
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Right you have made my mind up. Gonna politely decline the refund offer and let paypal decide. The guy is refusing to take the wheels back, so to my mind he either believes they are genuinely fine to use (which they are not. They look worse in the metal than they do in the pics) or more likely he knows they are mashed to the point that he will struggle to sell them on.
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He probably genuinely thinks there fine , probabaly didnt look ata the back . See if you can get somnething back and get some more . If you do go by ebay , look first or get detailed pictures and detailed description of each wheel . Its a rubbish lesson to learn - you take people at face value on ebay and they rip you off . I had it recently , i wanted some lifting hooks for a pinto engine, bought one set and they were cheap copies lazer cut out of thin [2mm] sheet metal , not up to the job and razor sharp edges . So i got another genuine set and they were twisted through 30% or so !! You just cant win sometimes !!
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g40jon
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I have bought and sold many sets of wheels, probably in excess of 100. This was the first (and last) time that I have bought them unseen. Had I been collecting in person, I would have simply walked away. I have sent him pictures of the damage. His reply was that the damage was mostly cosmetic and that he was expecting far worse. We will see how the paypal dispute goes. (I am pretty sensible when it comes to buying online, so didn't send the money as a gift) I don't think the seller can claim to have not known. Going by his ebay account, he clearly buys and sells lots of wheels as a small business, so in my opinion should have known what he was selling. www.ebay.co.uk/sch/lifes-cushy/m.html?item=321311275681&clk_rvr_id=585950857473&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
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Last Edit: Feb 12, 2014 9:00:43 GMT by g40jon
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to be honest that just looks like cosmetic damage to me, have you taken them to see if they balance up fine? If the balance up fine i would run them without even questioning it.
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just go through the paypal resolution centre. i sent 300 dollars to a bloke in the usa once, who said some parts i was buying had free postage. he then later said he'd need an extra 600 dollars. naturally i declined, but he didn't contact me again and i couldnt get my money off him. we dealt outside of ebay as he had something else i wanted. but that didnt matter. I just contacted paypal, gave them the ebay no. copy and pasted the ebay emails, and told them he had gone back on his word that they had free postage.( luckily he had written in emails so was easily proved.) I had to wait a couple weeks, but got all my money refunded.
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Personally, the only bit I'de be concerned about it where it's flat spotted. But you've hit the nail on the head about prefering to see things first, thats why i hate selling stuff on ebay to people who haven't seen them in the flesh. Peoples perceptions and expectations vary so much.
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g40jon
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to be honest that just looks like cosmetic damage to me, have you taken them to see if they balance up fine? If the balance up fine i would run them without even questioning it. As yet I haven't for a couple of reasons. 1. I didn't want to risk them getting more damaged (un-likely but not impossible) and the seller using this as a reason to not take them back. 2. It is pretty clear by the large wheels weights and location of them, that they require a fair amount of weights to balance. (granted this could partly be down to cheap tyres, which tend not to balance as easy. The tyre fitter could also be bad at wheels balancing (wouldn't be the first time) I don't really see having a deformed wheel bead as cosmetic damage, it effects the seating of the tyre. I can't be 100% certain that the metal won't have hairline cracks in it. I had trouble trying to get the pics to show just how deformed the wheel is. It has deflected inwards by a good 5 mm or so, which would indicate it has sustained a pretty hard hit. What it comes down to is that I am un-happy with the condition of the wheels, given that they were not a cheap set.
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Personally, the only bit I'de be concerned about it where it's flat spotted. But you've hit the nail on the head about prefering to see things first, thats why i hate selling stuff on ebay to people who haven't seen them in the flesh. Peoples perceptions and expectations vary so much. That's the only concern I'd have too. The rest is pretty much expected wear to cheap second hand wheels. Whilst personally I like to be as explicit as possible in adverts and details, I'd take into account there's likely to be some general damage on the back like that. I don't see a problem with any of it apart from that flat spot, which could be a problem.
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Feb 12, 2014 10:09:48 GMT
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they wont get damaged just sticking them on a balancer. As you say the weights don't really tell you anything, ive had brand new wheels and tyres needing more than that on them.
Second hand wheels are always a risk, i can see why you want a refund and i think the seller should give it, especially if your paying the return postage.
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g40jon
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Feb 12, 2014 10:26:21 GMT
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they wont get damaged just sticking them on a balancer. No, but it only takes me dropping one, or banging it against something, getting then in and out of the garage (more akin to a tardis) or car (mx5!) etc. If the seller continues to be difficult, then I will do as you suggest, as it will add weight to my case as I will be able to take a video clip to show just how wonky they are. Really the pics don't show just how bad the dents are. They would be much more visible with the tyre removed. Thanks for the opinions. I will let you know how I get on
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g40jon
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Feb 12, 2014 10:28:29 GMT
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That's the only concern I'd have too. The rest is pretty much expected wear to cheap second hand wheels. Whilst personally I like to be as explicit as possible in adverts and details, I'd take into account there's likely to be some general damage on the back like that. I don't see a problem with any of it apart from that flat spot, which could be a problem. They weren't what I would deffine as cheap! (they are a set of old wolfrace minilites in 4x100 pcd)
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Feb 12, 2014 10:56:13 GMT
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G4ojon , have you got a item number the bloke of something the bloke is selling on egay so i can have a look at his stuff ? Cheers.
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g40jon
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Feb 12, 2014 11:01:54 GMT
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Feb 12, 2014 11:10:59 GMT
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I hate to say it but those wheels do look rough in the pictures , i deffo wouldnt have bought them . My assumption in ebay pictures is if it looks a bit bad its probably really bad seeing it in the flesh . The bad paint would make me think someone is tryed to tart them up a bit . He does say that they are not perfect . What you have to do with these adverts is read what people are not saying , they are bad but a seller is not going to say they are fecked or nobody will buy them , by saying there damaged he is letting you know something is wrong just not the extent . I feel sorry for you but i don't know if you have a legitamate claim really . Just put it down to bad experiance i think , sorry .
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