Rich G
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Jan 19, 2014 21:57:48 GMT
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Copied from Rods n Sods.... See full story here: Latest News Note that the Historic exemption applies to: •it was manufactured or registered for the first time at least 30 years ago •its specific type, as defined in national or EU law, is no longer in production •it is historically preserved and maintained in its original state and has not sustained substantial changes in the technical characteristics of its main components. “ The third line is a concern. While it is up to individual member states to implement all of this, the guidelines exclude Historic vehicles that are modified from standard, but currently compliant within the DVLA 8 point scheme. The obvious route (but note I have only scan-read the article) is for the UK Historic movement to embrace the 8-point scheme and push for Historics falling outside the EU definition scope, but within the UK 8 point scope to have an MoT category. Any of our organisations that are members of the FBHVC take note. Now is the time to act while you can. Discussion thread on Rods n Sods.... Rods n Sods Discussion |
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skoze
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Jan 20, 2014 13:18:39 GMT
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will be keen to see how this unfolds! If they make a separate, old-style MoT then fair enough, not a problem. If they try and cull anything that falls outside of their newly decided category though (like lots of the rodders seem to be frightened of) then that's most of us f**ked!
EDIT: having just read up, seems it's been changed to a directive rather than a regulation? If that's genuinely the case then with any luck it won't be so bad - fingers crossed regardless.
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Nozza
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Jan 20, 2014 13:29:30 GMT
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Will this thing outlaw all modifications to all cars? Or am I running a bit more paranoia than absolutely necessary.
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jonw
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Jan 20, 2014 13:30:33 GMT
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Need to see the actual wording, but that sounds broardly posotive. Let us hope that DFT takes a sensible approach.
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Jan 20, 2014 13:37:06 GMT
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Will this thing outlaw all modifications to all cars? Or am I running a bit more paranoia than absolutely necessary. Probably not, and probably. |
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VIP
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Jan 20, 2014 16:50:35 GMT
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Will this thing outlaw all modifications to all cars? Or am I running a bit more paranoia than absolutely necessary. No, it isn't, and was never designed to, make modifications of cars any more restrictive than it currently is. There was massive scare-mongering last time this came out by so-called 'professionals' in the field that it marked the end of car modifications, when if you actually read the draft text, it mentioned nothing of the sort. What it IS designed to do is 'harmonise' the MOT test across EU member states. Since the UK currently has the EU-MOT in place, it is of no concern. Modifications which take you outside qualification on the DVLA 8-point system will still be valid, but again, that's no worse than the current set-up. |
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Rich G
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Jan 20, 2014 17:13:21 GMT
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Will this thing outlaw all modifications to all cars? Or am I running a bit more paranoia than absolutely necessary. No, it isn't, and was never designed to, make modifications of cars any more restrictive than it currently is. There was massive scare-mongering last time this came out by so-called 'professionals' in the field that it marked the end of car modifications, when if you actually read the draft text, it mentioned nothing of the sort. What it IS designed to do is 'harmonise' the MOT test across EU member states. Since the UK currently has the EU-MOT in place, it is of no concern. Modifications which take you outside qualification on the DVLA 8-point system will still be valid, but again, that's no worse than the current set-up. That very much depends on whether the DFT decide to take on the EU definition of historic (which would apply to cars up to 1984). |
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VIP
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Jan 21, 2014 11:37:04 GMT
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No, it isn't, and was never designed to, make modifications of cars any more restrictive than it currently is. There was massive scare-mongering last time this came out by so-called 'professionals' in the field that it marked the end of car modifications, when if you actually read the draft text, it mentioned nothing of the sort. What it IS designed to do is 'harmonise' the MOT test across EU member states. Since the UK currently has the EU-MOT in place, it is of no concern. Modifications which take you outside qualification on the DVLA 8-point system will still be valid, but again, that's no worse than the current set-up. That very much depends on whether the DFT decide to take on the EU definition of historic (which would apply to cars up to 1984). They will incorporate the Directive into existing UK legislation, and since the DVLA 8-point system seems to work fairly well for them, they will use that scheme to determine whether the vehicle has "substantial changes in the technical characteristics of its main components". Don't forget this 'exemption' is from having an MOT, so even if it was found that your very modified historic vehicle wasn't exempt, all it means is that you'll still need to MOT it. Stop flapping. |
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niwid
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Jan 21, 2014 12:10:57 GMT
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That very much depends on whether the DFT decide to take on the EU definition of historic (which would apply to cars up to 1984). They will incorporate the Directive into existing UK legislation, and since the DVLA 8-point system seems to work fairly well for them, they will use that scheme to determine whether the vehicle has "substantial changes in the technical characteristics of its main components". Don't forget this 'exemption' is from having an MOT, so even if it was found that your very modified historic vehicle wasn't exempt, all it means is that you'll still need to MOT it. Stop flapping. I must say, it's good to have someone make this a little clearer. I'm terrible when it comes to reading and understanding legislation, and have been really worried about this, but if what you say is accurate, it's really nothing much to worry about. |
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VIP
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Jan 21, 2014 15:35:51 GMT
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They will incorporate the Directive into existing UK legislation, and since the DVLA 8-point system seems to work fairly well for them, they will use that scheme to determine whether the vehicle has "substantial changes in the technical characteristics of its main components". Don't forget this 'exemption' is from having an MOT, so even if it was found that your very modified historic vehicle wasn't exempt, all it means is that you'll still need to MOT it. Stop flapping. I must say, it's good to have someone make this a little clearer. I'm terrible when it comes to reading and understanding legislation, and have been really worried about this, but if what you say is accurate, it's really nothing much to worry about. I don't profess to be any expert in this matter, I just take the time to read the actual Legislation, rather than other peoples interpretation of it. When the original Draft came out last year, people were saying it was "the end of modified cars", yet when I read the draft, I couldn't see anything which made car modifications illegal. This time, the particular focus appear to be whether 'historic' vehicles are classed as exempt from Roadworthiness Testing or not - which in itself isn't a massive issue if you still have to have an annual MOT. The key line that everyone is focussing on is "Note that historic exemption applies:... [if] it is historically preserved and maintained in its original state and has not sustained substantial changes in the technical characteristics of its main components." So, let's look at how the current system would determine whether substantial changes in the technical characteristics of the main components had been changed. Is there something already in place to determine the originality of a vehicle? Yes, there is, the DVLA 8-point system. So I can't see why the Government would go to the effort to write up a new specification or process to determine this when one already exists. Once the actual text of the new Directive is released, it can be looked into further, but the issue that is being focused on is whether a Historic Vehicle does or doesn't require an MOT. I hardly find that a massive concern and neither should you. |
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