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Jan 15, 2014 16:29:45 GMT
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The engine in my td sierra is getting pretty tired and I've found another td endura locally with low miles but It's from a escort. Are these a direct swap? I know the sump would need swapping over but do they share the same bolt pattern/placement for the bell housing and engine mounts?
Cheers for any help, tried google but wasn't much help at all
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Jan 15, 2014 17:41:32 GMT
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Tricky one as there wasn't much documented for the Sierra TD to start with!
I know of Sierra's/P100's that do have later engines in from Mondeo's and Escort's but with some faffing. I'm busting my brain here (it's been so long) but check water pumps. Somethings telling me that is a problem area as later ones are driven differently. Think alternator might be different location too.
Of course you would need your own manifolds and as you say, sump. Bolt pattern iirc is the same, but check the flywheels/clutches.
Out of interest, why is yours tired? They're pretty hard wearing units generally.
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Last Edit: Jan 15, 2014 17:42:11 GMT by Deleted
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Jan 15, 2014 19:00:44 GMT
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i put a td from a mondeo into a sierra p100, everything was bolt on, apart from the gearbox oil seal housing where oil 2 of the 3 bolts lined up, it was very easily and quickly sorted with a drill and tap, altho i no other people have just left it out with no issues.
i used p100 turbo and other one will not fit, mondeo inlet manifold and it has a good outlet for fitting an intercooler, left the mondeo pump on but did have to swap to a manual stop soleoid which is a abit of a pain due to the security cover over it.
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bortaf
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Jan 15, 2014 20:36:26 GMT
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As said the block is the same appart from the missing oil seal bolt hole, i swapped the sierra front cover over onto the FWD block so i could use the RWD water pump  |
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Jan 15, 2014 22:23:32 GMT
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Tricky one as there wasn't much documented for the Sierra TD to start with! I know of Sierra's/P100's that do have later engines in from Mondeo's and Escort's but with some faffing. I'm busting my brain here (it's been so long) but check water pumps. Somethings telling me that is a problem area as later ones are driven differently. Think alternator might be different location too. Of course you would need your own manifolds and as you say, sump. Bolt pattern iirc is the same, but check the flywheels/clutches. Out of interest, why is yours tired? They're pretty hard wearing units generally. It's leaking oil from every orifice and has been since I got it, I did the sump gasket and It's still blowing oil out of it, fixed the broken dipstick tube and It's still blowing oil out. I think it's building up pressure in the crank case and just blowing It out of the seals. the rocker breather pipe is blowing oil shed loads of oil all over the bay too. The turbo seals have gone too, it's also struggling to start on cold mornings and fires out out a massive puff of blue every morning on start up. I could sort it all out but I got no history with the car and not only has it had different clocks fitted, but the milometer doesn't work. So I have no idea of the mileage other than all evidence printing to it being very high. I'd rather just chuck a low mileage unit in and start afresh. The escort engine is only £175 and is low mileage so it just make sense to me |
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Jan 15, 2014 22:29:00 GMT
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i put a td from a mondeo into a sierra p100, everything was bolt on, apart from the gearbox oil seal housing where oil 2 of the 3 bolts lined up, it was very easily and quickly sorted with a drill and tap, altho i no other people have just left it out with no issues. i used p100 turbo and other one will not fit, mondeo inlet manifold and it has a good outlet for fitting an intercooler, left the mondeo pump on but did have to swap to a manual stop soleoid which is a abit of a pain due to the security cover over it. So only the sierra turbo would fit the? It's just that's part of the problem with my engine so it would be better If I could use the one that comes with the other engine. What was It that made It to not usable? |
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Jan 15, 2014 22:30:59 GMT
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cheers for all the help lads, its very much appreciated :-)
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Jan 15, 2014 22:38:00 GMT
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don't think so, from memory the exhaust would be in completely the wrong direction. the bulkhead is where in fwd ther is clear space, i think something was blocked by the bulkhead.
just from memory, but if i could have easily used the mondeo turbo i would have as the p100 turbo was tiny.
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Jan 15, 2014 23:40:25 GMT
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I'll have to look into that a bit deeper than mate cheers for the heads up
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bortaf
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The FWD ex manifold and turbo runs through the space needed for the RWD engine mount so you have to use the RWD setup, not sure if the turbos are swappable though ? nevr tried as i have 3 spare RWD ones inc maifolds and downpipes. Not sure where you are but there's a P100 breaker in southend, he sells em £160 compleat if that's any use? His ebay ID is clarkestones www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-P100-1-8TD-Engine-/121253178992?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c3b40ae70Do the deal outside ebay and you save £20 on the fees he wont have to pay  so £160 As you cant use the FWD turbo you could just buy a FWD non turbo (they are cheaper) and swap everything over, that's what i did in a cortina a few years back EDIT: just see your location, might be a wee bit too far sorry  |
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2014 1:00:34 GMT by bortaf
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Yeah that's a bit far for me unfortunately
I was expecting to have to run the RWD exhaust mani but hoping to fit the escort turbo to it. If it's just something like the bolt pattern or the need to clock it for it to fit it shouldn't be much of an issue, but again google isn't helping in my search for a definitive answer. I can't even find any pics of that side of the escort engine on images
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Jan 16, 2014 23:15:40 GMT
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Managed to find a pic of the fwd exhaust mani and now I can see why the turbo's wouldn't be Interchangeable. The housing on the hot side of the fwd turbo is part of the exhaust manifold rather than being the usual bolt off turbo on the sierra
Seems like it probably would make more sense to get a non turbo lump and try and find a good replacement turbo then swap all my stuff on to it as bortaf suggested
Again cheers for all the advice lads :-)
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so £160