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Dec 10, 2013 16:17:46 GMT
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Has anyone on here ever retro fitted a bosch ve turbo diesel pump from something like a mk2 golf on to the ford endura D td lump found in the sierra, escort ect?
I would like to run my sierra on cooking oil but the cars lucas pump apparently ain't too keen on it, I also like the tunability of the bosch pump. I've had a look about on google and it seems the non turbo endura got the non turbo bosch VE pump, which has got me wwondering if it be possible to fit the turbo bosch VE pump to the td endura engine? If so is it a case of mixing and matching parts from the turbo and non turbo engines to fit it or is it more of a straight fit?
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rodney
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Dec 10, 2013 16:24:57 GMT
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be a bit of messing about , but its doable I reckon,.
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bortaf
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Dec 10, 2013 16:29:58 GMT
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Dec 10, 2013 17:04:53 GMT
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Cheers for the link I'll sign up later on and ask on there If the car wasn't a daily I'd just get the bits and start experimenting, but as it is I can't afford to have the car in bits for unknown amount of time unfortunately
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Dec 10, 2013 17:46:30 GMT
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if the non turbo variant did come with a bosch pump then it would be str4aightforward enough to swap over, you could infact even stick it on as is without adding the boost compensation gubbins, that's how some VW engines run, though I can't imagine it being too hard to either add the compensator gubbins to the non turbo ford pump, or make the vw/peugeot pump fit the ford bracket.
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squonk
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Dec 10, 2013 18:26:28 GMT
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The problem with doing this is that the pump will be calibrated for the VW engine and may have different fuel delivery volume, different advance curve and god knows what else to the Ford. You may end up with an engine that smokes to hell, is completely lacking in power or is totally undriveable in the mid range. A very hit and miss change. Just because it fits doesn't mean that it will work!!
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Dec 10, 2013 19:16:33 GMT
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pfffft, pessimist! have an Audi V6 running a Bosch VE off a Volvo Bus engine. warning, lots of cornish famers swearing at Audi
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mat91
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Dec 10, 2013 21:16:49 GMT
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we started with a old ford enduro tdi with the curse word electronic pump in a suzuki jimny trailer we used a land rover 200tdi bosch pump, we fount it funny as it was the first time we`ve had to down the fueling from stock,
parts wise we had to machine down the inside of the ford injection pump timing pulley slightly to clear the land rover drive inj pump and time the injection pump 90 degrees advanced (i think it was a while ago now) and we played around with the timing a bit before we were happy, it defiantly will not work if you use the ford timing pins with a 200tdi pump anyway
probably some other bits ive forgot as well because we did it one afternoon while work was quiet
result are throttle response it massively improved it now starts reliably, with the electronics unplugged onthe ford injn pump (remember fitting in a jimny) it would take a few good cranks before it started and would hunt for idle constantly as well as other odd things power also seems to be improved massively with much more low end torque due to the fuel map of the bigger engines inj pump top end is now limited by the small turbo, but a bigger VGT turbo should up the power some it would run on veg fuel mpg is unknown as its just a trailer
if you don't have access to a lathe then your screwed using a 200tdi pump and if you don't have good modfying skills then your also screwed yes the inj pump just bolts in place of the old ford pump but theres lots of things that need modifying fuel pipes, wiring, injection pipes need tweaking etc etc etc etc
so if your not used to doing this sort of thing then probably give up the sweet idea or better buy a spare engine,pump and get it up and running on a pallet than transfer it onto your daily
hope that helps mat
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squonk
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Dec 10, 2013 23:33:36 GMT
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pfffft, pessimist! Nah, not really, but I do work in diesel engine design and testing!! Nice job on the Audi engine. Whats it done to the NOX and THC levels? Presumably it still passes an MoT?
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Last Edit: Dec 10, 2013 23:38:45 GMT by squonk
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Cheers for the advice
I'm a engineer by trade so I have access to a lathe ect if need be. Fuel pipe wise I was hoping I could use the ones off a non turbo ford VE pump but if not I'm sure I can sort something out.
I'm not sure how similar the ford VE and VW VE pumps are, my thinking was that if they are the same basic pump then stuff like the pulley and fuel pipes maybe interchangeable. So with the right mixture of parts it might be a straightforward bolt on and time up job, probably not like but one can hope
As for mot's that shouldn't really be an issue, my car is coalin as it is. I had to turn the pump up on it just to get it to be able to get out of junctions and over take safely. These cars are monumentally dog slow as standard. The bosch VE from the mk2 golf gtd has a lot of adjustability in it so I should be able to tune it to this engine well enough
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Dec 11, 2013 20:20:41 GMT
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should easily be able to use the non-turbo pipes. Make sure you get the delivery valves off the Ford pump too - these can come in a few lengths, which will obviously mean the pipe could be too long or too short if the wrong one is used!
In an ideal world, you'd have the Ford Bosch pumped engine as a parts donor, to swap pulleys/etc. You'll find the shaft on the Ford pump will be the smaller diameter (17mm?) rather than the heavier-duty (20mm?) shaft found on pumps with larger than a 9mm head.
The 9mm vw pump should be fine for a bit of driveable grunt - but a 300Tdi pump, comes with a nice 11mm head, and a rather large camplate, which is plenty for around 180Bhp. Make sure you shim the governor arm if you use a vw pump however, they cut back fuelling a hell of a lot when you try to rev it.
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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