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Looking at gettin some better brakes on my cortina,it's only got standard brakes on it at the minit.I'm guna get some drilled and grooved discs but it's pads that are important.are the ebc green stuff 1s as good as people say or not
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oakesy
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It depends how hard you drive and what you want - I see green stuff pads as a replacment for standard pads - the material melts at a relatively low temp (better than standard pads though)
If you like to drive quickly/ a trackday or sprint, go yellow stuff
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Not a fan of any of the EBC products - triumph of marketing over substance IMO.
Tried Greenstuff on my Vitesse (same caliper as Cortina more or less) and found them very disappointing.
Mintex 1144 on the other hand absolutely transformed the braking. They will be fine for normal to spirited road use, but can be faded (pad fade) in extreme use. For us that involved some large Alps! M1155 are the higher temperature version and will withstand higher temperatures possibly at the cost of some loss of bite from cold. Alternatively I'm now using Ferodo DS2500, which have so far resisted fade (even in the Alps and on the Nurburgring) and still have reasonable bite from cold. There are not cheap though!
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It's guna be a weekend car that il be doing track days in now and then
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I wouldnt go with anything from EBC , tried some , friends tried them ,never a good word said ..
Ferodo DS2500's or 3000's for more track use are good , I do a few trackdays a year and have run a few premium pads inc the ferodo's, now I stick with textar/oem ones as its £70 for all 4 , the last of the late brakers is normally in the gravel at some point anyway..
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I am in the Longman and VitesseEFI camp. On the cars I have tried and put EBC into (A Clio 172 on Greenstuff, a Mk3 Mondeo 2.0 on Reg90s (the ABS would not work at all the lack of complete bite was that poor (I can't believe they were contaminated (it would have been the only time in 20 pad changes...), and on my Spitfire 1500) I have never been thrilled with the bite. Saying that, many people do swear by them (some in the Stag circles and Porker circles) Whether there was an issue with the braking system (glazed pads, thin discs, boiled fluid etc.) I have not been able to determine. It is quite surprising how iffy people's brakes can be. For the little extra they cost, I would consider Mintex M1144s. These are superb on the 205 (wonderful cold bite with great power throughout) and on my mate's 172 Clito they were a revelation in comparsion to the EBC Greenstufs which came off. I am considering them for the Stag at the moment truth be told, as those brakes could do with maybe a touch more bite as things warm up. Ferodo DS2500s I have also found great (good bite from cold (maybe not quite as sharp as the M1144s but still more than acceptable). M1155s required a little more effort than 1144s from cold (and possibly DS2500s), but were near unstoppable on the move. On my 106 GTi when I upgraded to 266 discs on M1155s (they came with the brakes) they were great, which the current owner of them seems to think as well (they went onto a road legal trackday car )). How old are your flexi hoses and how good is your brake fluid. The latter is quite surprising and on the Stag changing all of the hoses to braid items certainly gives the car a very solid pedal  . |
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What I've heard then seems to be right.ebcs aren't all they made put to be and the mintex m1144s are good there's only about £15 difference so I no what il be going for
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My experiences are that Greenstuff is basically OE spec, Redstuff is a mild upgrade, and Yellowstuff is the first worthwhile EBC pad for fade resistance. I use them in my Cossie and Q4. They still fade eventually, but are very progressive when they do.
Not used 1144 for a long time, but I remember them being excellent (if filthy) on my Escorts.
DS2500s I've found to be superb on lightweight cars, but when I tried them on my Cossie and Q4 they instantly broke up leaving deposits on the discs, and huge judders! Very frustrating as they are great for fade resistance, but expensive and left me having to replace them far too soon. Thinking that a heavier car isn't suited to them. I'd like to try DS3000s, but I'm wary after this experience.
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Pretty much just going to echo the above. I've tried loads in the Herald (Pagid fast road, Greenstuff, Mintex 1144, unknown brand originally in the car, asbestos, etc) and I rate Mintex as the best you can buy now, they're almost as good as the asbestos. I won't touch Greenstuff again.
I do have EBC Ultramax fitted to the Acclaim and they are pretty good. You can get them to fade but they're not meant to be anything special over OEM anyway! They're certainly better than any other pad on the market for them and there aren't many.
Whatever you do, make sure you research whichever pad you buy before you get your discs. Some work better with fancy discs, some work better with plain. Take a look and see what type of disc they sell to match the pad.
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Mintex are very good transformed our Sedona from trying to stop an oil tanker with a brick on a rope to wow stops on a sixpence, and we had no problem with warped disc which are common on sedonas because the brakes are so curse word!!
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my general view has been to avoid EBC and particularly greenstuff but i am currently running a EBC "kevlar" street pad on the mini and the results are very pleasing. excellent bit from cold and pulls up on the nose from high speed. can't comment on the heavy use/fade though.
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... and I rate Mintex as the best you can buy now, they're almost as good as the asbestos. Old pads FTW! (Just don't breath too much) |
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Don't forget, all you are doing is changing your pads for a more aggressive type, if you are using the same size disc and same calliper, you are not getting any mechanical improvement, Drilling holes and groves actually reduces pad contact area, but will help against gaseous fade..
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I used to use green stuff pads on my Manta when road rallying, never had any problems.
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Must admit, I have had a car with Green stuff pads, The first big disc conversion was brilliant, Really a good upgrade, I then converted to an even bigger disc conversion, 330mm and big bembros, same piston volume and pad area but more disc. so nothing really different, these were the newer pads that I used with the "bedding in" coating, these were cr-p, I never really got the brakes to work,
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the mrs got some greenstuff pads for her escort rs turbo, they were absolutely terrible i replaced them with some good quality standard pads and the braking increased dramatically, i wouldnt touch ebc stuff with a big stick now
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My 156 has greenstuff pads with standard discs in it and the braking is annoyingly sharp, good enough to drive it the way you're meant to drive V6 Alfas. Mintex and Ferodo options above were the other pads I looked at but significantly more expensive in 156 fitment as I recall.
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Dec 12, 2013 13:42:08 GMT
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Tried Green Stuff on my Panda many years ago and found them no different to standard pads. Pretty poor brake feel as well
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Last Edit: Dec 12, 2013 13:42:36 GMT by giacosa
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