taurus
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Sept 19, 2013 8:38:39 GMT
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The problem here is that look down any street at what people drive and you soon realise that most people (ie the ones who drive TV production budgets) know naff all about cars and aren't interested. Anything serious about cars is always going to be a minority affair, and once you start looking into the different interest groups in motoring the minority becomes a fragmentation of a multitude of minorities.
Most modern cars are basically no much more than white goods - television producers are never going to take a serious look at such a market, other than blowing them up or dropping pianos on them.
Unless of course someone does a programme in which anything which disc brakes is banned in which case I am sure it would be an overnight success.
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Sept 19, 2013 8:42:26 GMT
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Why not find a particular car and a car with pedigree and trace back all its previous owners with any funny/interesting story's that go with the car itself ,but to make an interesting car programme you need a petrol head producer/director type to be involved really as others have said Otherwise it won't appeal to the public
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Sept 19, 2013 8:43:52 GMT
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My advice would be if you use a presenter don't use any of the ones currently doing car shows. Depending on the show there is nothing wrong with a voice over guy (without a silly comedy accent, and without puns or jokes thrown in). But if you do need a presenter get someone who likes/loves cars don't make him do funny sketches or made up fill pieces we don't care about. Also and maybe the biggest thing for me currently. [RANT] Don't do "Coming up in tonight's episode" at the start, then "Coming up after the break" before the break only to do "The story so far is" after the break all the way through. We're watching the show, we know whats happened so far because WE ARE WATCHING THE SHOW and we don't need spoilers at the start. If you look at a current USA car show like Fast'N'Loud or Texas car wars etc the 1 hour show is actually about 45mins without adverts, take off the preview/review bits and your under 40 mins then take out the stupid staged fill pieces and you're lucky to get 20mins of cars in a 1 hour show. [/RANT] We watch a car show for the cars and a little about the people who build them. We don't watch a car show for the arguments (American chopper after series 1) staged set pieces that are meant to be funny (fastNloud) Interviews to camera about what a particular person was feeling or thinking at any point (All of them) if we wanted that sort of stuff there are more than enough crappy reality shows full of it. Thats about it for me
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Sept 19, 2013 8:51:31 GMT
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[RANT] Don't do "Coming up in tonight's episode" at the start, then "Coming up after the break" before the break only to do "The story so far is" after the break all the way through. We're watching the show, we know whats happened so far because WE ARE WATCHING THE SHOW and we don't need spoilers at the start. If you look at a current USA car show like Fast'N'Loud or Texas car wars etc the 1 hour show is actually about 45mins without adverts, take off the preview/review bits and your under 40 mins then take out the stupid staged fill pieces and you're lucky to get 20mins of cars in a 1 hour show. [/RANT] Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't like programme-makers assuming I'm too stupid to remember what's going on. And if you miss the start, that's your fault.
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Sept 19, 2013 8:52:19 GMT
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if you can get close to the type of videos that Petrolicious or chris harris make, then you are on to a winner. IMO those short videos are significantly higher quality than most car stuff on mainstream TV.
also, I agree with everything Mantasport said. 20 mins of watchable footage from an hour long programme is a joke.
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adam73bgt
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Sept 19, 2013 9:24:28 GMT
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I also agree that the presenter needs to have a proper interest in cars, someone like Fred Dibnah but for cars
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Sept 19, 2013 9:53:09 GMT
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I'm not sure if this has been done before or mentioned above. (I've not read all the posts above)
I think a car programme with similar format to Location Location Location would work.
Same presenter each week, different car buyer each week and a different specialist in the model car that buyer is seeking.
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"This week John Smith has £2k to spend on an MG BGT and is willing to take on a project. Helping us find the right vehicle for him this week is Mr x x who has worked with MGs for 35 years."
Throughout the program they view and test drive a few MG BGTs and John decides which one he wants to buy and hopefully gets a good deal.
If the show was an hour long maybe the last 20 mins could be looking back over progress on previous purchases in the series / previous series.
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Sept 19, 2013 10:00:54 GMT
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Why not find a particular car and a car with pedigree and trace back all its previous owners with any funny/interesting story's that go with the car itself ,but to make an interesting car programme you need a petrol head producer/director type to be involved really as others have said Otherwise it won't appeal to the public I like this - tracing a car's family tree - you could do a pun on BBC's "Who do you think you are?" And call it "Who do you think you car?"
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kabman
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Sept 19, 2013 10:28:57 GMT
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Like a lot of you, I can't stand to watch the majority of car-related shows. As people have already said - too much staged 'crisis', irritating presenters and dumbed down content.
The best one I've seen in a long time was 'Speed Dreams' about Bonneville on the BBC. And that was about bikes. And I don't even like bikes.
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Smiler
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I no longer own anything FWD! Or with less than 6 cylinders, or 2.5ltrs! :)
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Sept 19, 2013 10:34:35 GMT
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A reality show about a numpty (me) who has bought an old car (my 42yr old Reliant Scimitar) and wants to modify it by whatever means to go hill climbing and make it as fast as possible for a £1,500 budget (supplied by the production company). Then take it along to Prescott Hillclimb and see how it fares against more expensive/modern machinery. They get my time and exposure free of charge and I get sole ownership of the finished car. Televised PPC £999 challenge also gets my vote. But a televised version of a monthly magazine (PPC gets my vote as it's very spanner active) I think would also be a winner, and the scripts already written in the magazine articles.
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ToolsnTrack
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Sept 19, 2013 11:51:07 GMT
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OP, feedback?
Likelyhood of these thoughts reaching the final cut?
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Sept 19, 2013 12:06:09 GMT
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I'm not sure if this has been done before or mentioned above. (I've not read all the posts above) I think a car programme with similar format to Location Location Location would work. Same presenter each week, different car buyer each week and a different specialist in the model car that buyer is seeking. I.e. "This week John Smith has £2k to spend on an MG BGT and is willing to take on a project. Helping us find the right vehicle for him this week is Mr x x who has worked with MGs for 35 years." Throughout the program they view and test drive a few MG BGTs and John decides which one he wants to buy and hopefully gets a good deal. If the show was an hour long maybe the last 20 mins could be looking back over progress on previous purchases in the series / previous series. Mike Brewer was previously involved with a couple of shows of that nature. I quite like the format of Beetle Crisis and Campervan Crisis (and the Bonneville one)where you follow a few blokes who are working on projects and are at different stages in them, over a series of shows, where hopefully some of them get finished. A voiceover from someone who understands these things would make all the difference to it. I also used to enjoy Build it or Bust where the guy has X number of days to build a chopper. If he completes it, he keeps it. Similarly, some sort of restoration show like Kevin McLoud's one on houses starting with a snotter and an improbable budget where the whole thing is condensed into an hour or so.
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Jaguar S-Type 3.0 SE
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levismerc
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Learning all the time...
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Sept 19, 2013 12:13:45 GMT
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Why not find a particular car and a car with pedigree and trace back all its previous owners with any funny/interesting story's that go with the car itself ,but to make an interesting car programme you need a petrol head producer/director type to be involved really as others have said Otherwise it won't appeal to the public I like this - tracing a car's family tree - you could do a pun on BBC's "Who do you think you are?" And call it "Who do you think you car?" ^^^ Brilliant! I likes it...
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'83 Merc 280CE
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mauricewalsh
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bmw316i ,transit, 2barkas b1000, reiger scirocco storm
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Sept 19, 2013 13:08:00 GMT
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alan de cadenet made some very interesting marque specific shows some years back (alfa,ferarri,mazza et al ) and the format worked well as far as I'm concerned, wouldnt take much to modernise a format like that , but with added content from owners , buying, assesment[buddys round to laugh/cry/incourage, etc] build video/pics, real world people talking about the car( day to day living with,costs,problems,t n t'ing,etc), and most important a presenter that knows/loves cars , someone not with a tv background, perhaps someone from this forum ? with his own build going on as the series goes on perhaps,,, also agree with the mark evans show style , made to an hour long show 1/2hr build 1/2hr real backyard/carport,barely-big-enough-to-walk-around-garage,middle of a field etc, joe blogs building something/maybe reports from shows,meets,gatherings, c n c's..... BUT , the presenter must not be the focus, must know/love cars and the trials that go with that, as in , the must-get-to-that-sometime,the covered for 10yrs project, etc........... just my 2p
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be a survivor not a victim
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Sept 19, 2013 13:08:33 GMT
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I think the main issue is none of us want a "dumbed down" car show with idiot voice overs and presenters, i like Top Gear, it is a fun show but we don't need another one.
Get people who know what they are on about, not bald headed shouty blokes or smiley ex car sales goons who only lift the bonnet to polish things for buyers.
A show for car nuts made by car nuts and presented by car nuts, even on a serious show there should be time for a 5 or 10 minute segment of "look at these two stupidly fast cars these nutters have built, lets have a race" without taking away from some real facts.
Car nuts will watch anything factual, look how boring F1 is and it still gets massive viewing figures.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Sept 19, 2013 14:01:39 GMT
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I like the idea of a comparaison show, comparing cars from today to those from 10,20,30 years ago
so like putting a brand new hot hatch up against maybe a 205 GTi through a series of tests and see what the outcome is. I think it would shock a lot of people, seeing the outcomes.
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Sept 19, 2013 14:01:58 GMT
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I like the idea of a comparaison show, comparing cars from today to those from 10,20,30 years ago
so like putting a brand new hot hatch up against maybe a 205 GTi through a series of tests and see what the outcome is. I think it would shock a lot of people, seeing the outcomes.
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Sept 19, 2013 14:06:25 GMT
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There is a US programme that I can't remember the name of, that is presented by someone who clearly knows what he is doing but they follow three or four restorations/customisations, right through from the car arriving to going out the door, jumping from one to another as they reach certain points. One car was a Bricklin (someone will know the prog now, guarantee it!). No 'crises' or unnecessary padding, just following what the guys do in 'real' time (ie NOT "We have one hour to paint and trim this Custom Car and deliver it to the other side of the world!"). Deffo go into some of the 'cottage' industries that support modding or restoration.
Good idea, The House..... probably upset a few people....
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Last Edit: Sept 19, 2013 14:07:55 GMT by marinanut
Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored Rover 75 - Barge MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer... MGF - The Golden Shot...Stored Project Minion........ Can you see the theme?
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Smiler
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I no longer own anything FWD! Or with less than 6 cylinders, or 2.5ltrs! :)
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Sept 19, 2013 14:19:36 GMT
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I seem to remember top gear not too many years ago pitching a jaguar XJ220 against a modern supercar for a drag race, and the Jag, despite being about twenty years old, won!
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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Sept 19, 2013 14:25:36 GMT
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I think a garage comunties type thing would be cool. Retro themed focus on people building\restoring their own cars. I'd happily watch a feature on what goes on in such places like the area 51 garage.
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