Iain
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Aug 15, 2013 12:34:13 GMT
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Looking for advice on building a garage. So far I have a load of foliage/unused garden and aiming to build a usable double garage for a single car storage and workshop area. The intended size is going to be 6m by 6m, max height of 2.5m as it's next to a boundary. So far my choices seem to be: - Concrete sectional double, probably about £3500 e.g. www.prestigegarages.co.uk/garage-range/classic-garages/index.shtml- Timber garage double, probably about £3500 too e.g. www.quick-garden.co.uk/wooden-garages-aluminum-carports/wooden-garage-600x600-double-44mm-36m.html- Block built and custom roof, maybe second hand door/garage roller - £  not managed to get a builder quote yet My concerns are: - Concrete sectional - difficult to mount to walls, look ugly, can't drill panels so hanging shelves etc an issue? - Timber - needs to be 1m from a boundary due to combustable (I think?) - Block - finding someone who will do a good job, someone has expressed a concern over price due to availability of 6m joists for the roof opposed to 5m I know I'll need building regs if it's over 30sqm, that's not a problem the council have said this will cost £250. Any opinions or ideas that might help me decide what to do? What are each garage type like to live with? |
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Last Edit: Aug 15, 2013 12:38:55 GMT by Iain
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Aug 15, 2013 13:18:07 GMT
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I have a concrete panel garage that I had built in 1987. It's been fine over the years other than having to change roof material due to leaks after a while. If I was in the same situation again I'd go for concrete block and apex, rather than flat, roof.
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Iain
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Aug 15, 2013 13:42:18 GMT
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Unfortunately with a maximum height of 2.5m (due to permission/regulations due to being within 2m of a boundary) I think apex is out of the question.
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Dez
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Aug 15, 2013 14:13:23 GMT
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It should be doable, most twin concrete sectionals have a wall height of 7', a 2-3" tie beam on top of that then a 1' roof pitch, so just come in under the limit. 2.5m is 8 and a quarter feet. twin pitch roof will drain far better than a flat one, I've found flat roof to be nothing but trouble over the years.
Id go for concrete sectional and then line it out to allow screwing stuff to the walls, mean you can stick a bit of insulation in the cavities too.
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dallow
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Aug 15, 2013 18:20:20 GMT
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Don't forget that if you go for a sectional/timber you will still need a concrete base which will add approx another £1000-1500 unless you intend on doing it yourself. If was me i'd opt for a block built garage.
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dallow
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Aug 15, 2013 18:26:25 GMT
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Last Edit: Aug 15, 2013 18:26:52 GMT by dallow
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Aug 15, 2013 21:55:20 GMT
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If you know your going to need regs because of size, you might as well get planning permission and build it to a sensible height, this will possibly cost you an additional £4-500 for drawings. All in all it will cost you about a grand before you even touch the site though (regs/planning etc). But will probably add more value to house as it will be more aesthetically pleasing. But saying that because of the building regs you will probably need a trussed roof which will reduce the space in the roof for storing stuff. So its pro's and con's really. I am currently building a 7m x 7m block and stone garage, and i have to have a trussed roof and metal windpoles in the walls!! Yet to meet anyone who has even heard of these. The regs have gone a bit crazy recently.
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I built mine out of wood, I design engineered wood products for a living so everything was to hand. If I was doing it again, I would opt of a masonry construction, mainly for security and reduced fire risk. He's my build thread, it might give you some ideas retrorides.proboards.com/thread/127824/nerve-centre-garage-build-contentAs for the roof, 6m timbers are normally the longest you'll come across. I would consider mono pitch trusses to keep the over all height down or easijoists or I beams. |
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I'll throw another construction method into the mix  What about steel framed ? Clad in cement board and then apply slip brick like tiles. If you look at most McDonalds you will see this is how they are made - tap one with your knuckles to see the brickwork is just 10mm thick. Not a bodge but how a lot of skyscrapers are made as well as a common method for conservatory dwarf walls where traditional methods not viable (no rear access for diggers, lorries etc) You could possibly find a basic steel frame from a demolition company. A cheap concrete garage could be "tarted up" by slip bricks as well. Google - slip brick buildings and look at images to see more details. You can also get dry lay concrete blocks that you build up without cement and then lock together by pouring concrete into the cavities One example - www.andertonconcrete.co.uk/websitecontent/stepoc.aspxPaul H |
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Iain
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Aug 16, 2013 11:01:29 GMT
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Don't forget that if you go for a sectional/timber you will still need a concrete base which will add approx another £1000-1500 unless you intend on doing it yourself. If was me I'd opt for a block built garage. Yeah going to need a base for whatever route I go down though! Aiming to get some block built quotes when I discuss with the local council what foundations and wall thicknesses are required for my desired size of garage. Thanks all for your input so far, given me some more stuff to search for. |
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Iain
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Aug 16, 2013 12:26:27 GMT
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Just the read lot, nice one for the link. They do look pretty versatile, easily sourced and erection is included in the price usually which is a bonus.
Looking back would you be better laying the cable while doing the base so you didn't have to drill it, or wasn't it really a problem? Are you planning to panel/board the insides at all?
Would have to paint the pebble effect if I got one!
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dallow
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Aug 16, 2013 13:21:35 GMT
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my unit is tin roofed and so are several of my friends units, and they all suffer from condesation! which is lovely in the winter, ice cold water straight down you back as you open the door!!!
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Aug 17, 2013 10:24:07 GMT
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A traditional brick and tiled roof at that size would be around 10k if you buy materials wisely .
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Aug 17, 2013 10:49:50 GMT
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my garage is 6by5m , brick built with leccy shutter , double glazed door and window , cost £4200 inc materials  got a bricky to build it , tapped up a roller shutter guy at a petrol station and got the windows new off my neighbour |
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Aug 17, 2013 11:25:57 GMT
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A lot depends on how much you can do yourself . I had a gang do the brickwork and I used a guy with a digger to do the foundation dig with some mates to muck in with the concrete pour . I built the roof myself and used a roofer to lay the tiles and fit the velux skylights .   Best decision I made was to sacrifice a bit if floorspace to make it double skinned with a cavity and some 2nd grade kingspan sheets between the rafters . 8" of polystyrene under the floorslab so its bone dry and keeps the heat in winter and keeps it out in summer . |
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Iain
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Aug 20, 2013 10:20:43 GMT
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Nice builds guys, thanks for the pics. £4.2k is a bargain for that size in brick.
Well having looked around some concrete sectional showrooms yesterday I wasn't overly impressed at their build quality, so I'm waiting on a few quotes from builders to knock one up 6x6m from concrete blocks. Fingers crossed I get a reasonable quote.
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Aug 21, 2013 18:56:59 GMT
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I got lucky with ours ( 12ft x 22ft, about 7ft high) as the previous owner of my house bought the concrete sections and had them delivered but never got around to building the garage  A squad of local builders dug the foundations for beer money and arranged to have the ready-mix concrete delivered. A semi-retired handyman helped me put it up, no windows and a 2nd hand (mint  ) up-and-over door got the shape. Then just put the steel trusses up with timber battens on them, and screwed corrugated roofing sheets onto the timbers. Was all done very-low budget but ended up looking great, I think the concrete base and roof sheets were the most expensive bits. I left the small gaps between the panels for ventilation, ran an underground armoured cable for lights and power. It did get some condensation but not too bad... Not looked recently but often used to see concrete sectional garages on Gumrtree & Freecycle etc - "Free but buyer must dismantle and remove"  |
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Aug 21, 2013 19:11:10 GMT
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This must be in another thread somewhere else too.
When I did mine timber was half the price of a sectional concrete job, which was half the price of brick/block.
I went with sectional concrete. it cost me about £5000 for a 20 feet square, 15 years ago with them doing the drawings (they have them to hand of course), planning permission, foundation and erection.
It's steel-framed, so nothing to stop you being clever about some shelving.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:51:10 GMT
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Re read the planning rules...2.5meters is to the eaves and the pitch roof can be up to 4m i think!
Building a detached garage of less than 30 square metres floor area would not normally need building regulations approval if:
the floor area of the detached garage is less than 15 square metres.
the floor area of the garage is between 15 square metres and 30 square metres, provided the garage is at least one metre from any boundary, or it is constructed from substantially non-combustible materials.
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I would be rich if i had not spent so much money on Cars and fast women...oh, i did waste some of it as well!
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not managed to get a builder quote yet
) up-and-over door got the shape.
