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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	May 28, 2013 0:14:28 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	This is my mates bus, I along with another mate, dropped the front axle and replaced the rotten and torn bracket for the front swivel pin, today. However, it still drives almost as badly as it did when the swivel pin bracket sheared off. The problem is the input to the steering wheel is not being transferred to the road wheels correctly. Sometimes it will turn acceptably, but most times I am able to turn the wheel more than a full revolution with zero change in direction, or sometimes, full lock in one direction with no response at all from the road wheels. Everything is in good condition, drag link, track rods/ends, swivel pin etc. We are thinking it has to be the steering box at fault (which is very oily on the outside). I know these can be re-oiled and adjusted, and there is a knack to it, but can you adjust for these symptoms?! Maybe it is just worn? There was not enough time to look into this, after the initially successful test drive. The bus hasn't really moved for the previous six or so years, if it would go some way to explain this. Any help is greatly appreciated. My mate wants to drive it home to Edinburgh this coming weekend. Thanks, Liam.
	Last Edit: Jun 3, 2013 9:42:28 GMT by OUTRUN I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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cobblers Posted a lot Posts: 3,921	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed cobblers @cobblers
	May 28, 2013 5:15:20 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	You can adjust steering boxes fairly easily, but only to remove minor play - If it's not actually turning the wheels then it's probably way past salvaging.


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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	May 28, 2013 10:07:42 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	May 28, 2013 5:15:20 GMT cobblers said: You can adjust steering boxes fairly easily, but only to remove minor play - If it's not actually turning the wheels then it's probably way past salvaging. Cheers mate. Thought as much. It's terrifying! The steering box being knackered is not a huge issue (aside from James having to pay out ITRO £200?) but what we really need to know is if it would cause the aforementioned symptoms, and if in working order, no other component could usually be at fault. As we will need to acquire a steering box, and then do a little trial and error, in a small time window. Obviously I appreciate that you have not seen the vehicle, and are performing a diagonis via my vague online description. You seem to know the craic with this type of thing though! Thanks a lot mate, Liam.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	May 28, 2013 10:28:52 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	£350 exchange. www.justkampers.com/214-415-049-f-steering-box-for-righthand-drive-vw-t2-1967-1971.html I thought I had seen upto 1971 steering boxes for around £200. I guess not.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	May 28, 2013 10:33:43 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Gotta laugh at this! Apparently around 3" of free play is acceptable. When first purchased, this T2 had easily double that. All signs point to a steering box in degrading, and now critical condition, when I actually think about it.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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snoopy Part of things Posts: 69	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed snoopy @snoopy
	May 28, 2013 10:49:42 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	you need a box, there must be loads of used ones around as firms break vw's for parts if you do not like the expense of a new one. but the rebuilt originals are probably a lot better buy quality wise than the after market pattern curse word if they are available. even with the new box you will need your geometry checked and reset to ensure it handles and steers as it should and save tyre wear.


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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	May 28, 2013 12:33:08 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Cheers Snoopy. I have told him he needs a steering box. Agreed on a rebuilt box making more sense. Over to him now... Forward controls FTL.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	May 28, 2013 12:33:43 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Cheers Snoopy. I have told him he needs a steering box. Agreed on a rebuilt box making more sense. Over to him now... Forward controls FTL.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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bortaf Posted a lot Posts: 4,549	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed bortaf @bortaf
	May 28, 2013 14:15:58 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	I think 2 inches of play at the wheel is the rough MOT fail/pass ? try adjusting it forst BUT make sure the steering is dead straight and don't take it all out or the bix will probably jam up on full lock, i aim for 1 to 2 inches of play (steering dead ahead) any less will make the steering heavy and non will reult in a jammed steering IME if it's oily on the outside it's probably not very oily inside
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tofufi South West Posts: 1,454	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed tofufi @tofufi
	May 28, 2013 15:07:51 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	My '71 bay has around 1/2" of play at the steering wheel when static. That's with new idler pin bushes, good balljoints all round, and the steering box full of the correct oil and adjusted recently. There's definitely a problem somewhere with your mate's one.


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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	May 29, 2013 0:32:30 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	1/2" of play sounds like a dream, mate! The current plan is for him to try and acquire a low mileage, original box. Regardless, we will be removing the current unit and inspecting the worm gear, this comng weekend. Will update this when I know more. Thanks all.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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guz Posted a lot Posts: 4,687	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed guz @guz
	May 29, 2013 7:06:39 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	usually a couple on ebay, only one i bought was for my 1303 and that was about £30.


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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	May 29, 2013 10:55:16 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	There's an up to 1972 box, as in Early Bay, listed on there atm that he is keeping an eye on. Cheers mate.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	Jun 3, 2013 9:41:05 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Repaired. Swivel pin had came away from the bracket again. filthyjohn migged the death out of it this time. Now the bus is back to a 1/4 turn free play. Still needs a steering box.imo, but that's not my decision to make. Thanks for all the help.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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tofufi South West Posts: 1,454	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed tofufi @tofufi
	Jun 3, 2013 20:51:37 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	1/4 of a turn before the wheels start steering? That still sounds like there is something wildly wrong, I'm afraid. A couple of inches isn't unusual, but 1/4 turn is far too much. Has the steering box been oiled and adjusted recently? It's a doddle to do, and well worthwhile


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OUTRUN Part of things 13... Posts: 620	1968 T2 Bay Window steering not responding - Fixed OUTRUN @dustydrifter
	Jun 3, 2013 23:46:31 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Jun 3, 2013 20:51:37 GMT tofufi said: 1/4 of a turn before the wheels start steering? That still sounds like there is something wildly wrong, I'm afraid. A couple of inches isn't unusual, but 1/4 turn is far too much. Has the steering box been oiled and adjusted recently? It's a doddle to do, and well worthwhile Yeah, quarter turn before the wheels move. It has not been adjusted for at least the seven years he has owned it. It's very oily on the outside, too. I agree that it is not right. I will tell him to have it sorted or we will do it when I next see him. Thanks mate.
	I need your help to get back to the year 1985.

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