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I know it is a car site, however it seems there are a few younger guys/gals here who do ride bikes and progress onto cars, so I guess there will be some knowlege, and as a non UK licensed (mine were converted automatically) rider and driver....... here is my quetions:
What are the current rules ??
My lady friends daughter will be turning 17 in March.
She wants to ride a bike, as she is at college in Oxford, works in Whitney, and lives in Freeland....... somewhat of a commute for granny who ferries her, along with public transport.
I have a 100cc geared on/off road bike that she can have once it is MOT'd and licensed.
Question is....... what are the rules for age, engine size etc in the UK ??
What license does she need etc ?
Advice much appreciated.
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When i learnt it was jsut a matter of gettin a CBT (compulsary basic training), its only 1-2 days learning to ride a bike and road BASICS.
Its great and easy, but theres still a lot to learn, a hell of a lot just like driving, so she needs to take it easy. it took me 10 mins to fall off after 'passing ' mine. upto 125cc were the rules then. HTH
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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phatphord
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At 17 she will have to do a CBT, this will then allow her to ride a machine up to 125cc on L plates,she can't carry pillions. The CBT is only valid for 2 years. I would recommend everyone did one and rode a bike,as it WILL make you a better car driver. More info here on the DSA site- www.dsa.gov.uk/Bikes.asp
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Legally she just needs a CBT which the boy who works for me did on a Sunday costs about £90. Cos she is 17 she can ride up to 125cc but must have L plates on and not allowed to take pillion. But as reanimation said 'thats where it starts' Take her to an industrial estate or big car park on a sunday and practice as they only teach you the basics on the CBT they don't talk about diesel on roundabouts, idiots sitting too close behind you or riding in the wet.
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Mr S
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Feb 22, 2007 10:07:59 GMT
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I'm a CBT instructor, and mitch and phatphord are right. At 17 (or 16 for that matter), she needs to do a CBT, which entitles her to run up to a 125cc bike, with no more than 14.6bhp (or up to a 50cc bike/scooter, restricted to 3bhp and 32mph). All she needs is a provisional license. If you pass your CBT at 16 and are restricted to a 50cc bike, as soon as you turn 17, the CBT grows with you, and you don't need to retake it to enable you to ride the larger bikes. Similarly, if you take your CBT on a 'rev and go' automatic bike, then you can also ride a geared bike. The stipulations are that once you have gained the CBT certificate (NB: It's not a test, it's a certificate that says you are at a standard where you are not unsafe on the roads on your own), you MUST display full-sized L plates front and rear (3 points and £60 fine EACH if you're caught not displaying them!!), you can't take passengers, you can't go on motorways and you're not allowed to tow trailers (odd but true!). There are good places and bad places, a good place should have you arriving at 9am and finishing the day at about 4 to 4:30. I work at a good place, where we teach more than the basics, we try to give as much 'real world' advice, as we wouldn't want our own kids going out there unprepared.... You spend some time in the classroom, some time riding on private land, and then a MINIMUM of 2 hours on-road. No more than 2 riders per instructor when on-road, no more than 4 riders per instructor in the yard). Not everyone achieves the standard within the one day at our place, 'cos as I said earlier, if we wouldn't send our own kids out on their own at the standard the learner is at, then we don't give them the certificate, simple as that! If that's the case, we identify what they need in order to become safe, note it down on their file and invite them back for however long we think they'll need. Whether it be an hour on-road, or half a day in the yard followed by going on the road. Feel free to ask any more questions! Cheers, Martin
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Last Edit: Feb 22, 2007 10:11:07 GMT by Mr S
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Feb 22, 2007 10:33:23 GMT
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NI must be totally different then. at 16 i had a scooter 50cc, and at 17 i stepped onto a 125 suzuki, slapped on L's on and rode forever... all on a provisional...?
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Feb 22, 2007 10:41:37 GMT
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I wonder if it will need to get any harder to get on the road, as theres a lot of wobbly moped/scooter lads either shakey or attempting tailgaiting, weaving, or endo's out there! not knocking guys getting out there, just seen a few near misses...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Mr S
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Feb 22, 2007 10:42:19 GMT
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Depends on what that was SS - the CBT was introduced in '92 I think.... When were you 16?
Having said that, I have no idea if NI has different traffic laws to us?
Cheers, Martin
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Last Edit: Feb 22, 2007 10:42:42 GMT by Mr S
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Feb 22, 2007 10:47:43 GMT
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What's wrong with endos reanimation? (Or stoppies as they are called in the motorcycle world ). Trouble is, some kids are just plain stupid - we can only show them the correct way to ride, as long as they show us that they can do it on-road for a couple of hours, it's up to them if they want to continue that way or not. Needless to say they wouldn't pass a full test, or even get a CBT certificate riding badly/dangerously, and if they choose to ride like that, they will ultimately end up injured or dead. Good stuff says I, get the eejits out of the gene pool! Same with anything that needs a license, you can only hope that most people follow the rules of the road, there will be some car drivers/truckers/bus drivers etc. that drive like tw@s - fingers crossed they wipe themselves out before anyone else!! FWIW, when the CBT was introduced, it cut down motorcycle related deaths and injuries by a huge factor (over 60% IIRC), so it does work....
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Last Edit: Feb 22, 2007 10:49:06 GMT by Mr S
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Feb 22, 2007 11:09:36 GMT
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No, its a system that worked for me perfectly mopeds seem more popular now, although i guess you can only get in as much trouble on a moped as you can on a push bike. and as phatphord poined out valuable road skills are learnt on a bike. I want another now!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Feb 22, 2007 11:18:40 GMT
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Damnit I knew I should have come in on two wheels today. Maybe tomorrow.
Speaking of which my CBT is up soon, I'd better check...
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Feb 22, 2007 11:20:57 GMT
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i want another one too! blade, I'm 21 now, so this was only about 2003/04 or so. and my bike (or the scooter) definitely weren't restricted
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phatphord
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Feb 22, 2007 15:14:02 GMT
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Its def worth doing, I used to instruct, was the youngest fully qualified instructor in the Uk (think it still stands) as I was 21 when I became fully qualified. Used to really enjoy CBT's, and like blade says, people will be people,its the same as kids doing handbrake turns, wheelspins etc...
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Feb 22, 2007 16:49:18 GMT
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Thanks guys, Huge help there. Blade, I have been riding since age 14, although the SA laws were that at 17 you could get 50cc learners and then progress to any size the day after you turned 18 My first bike was an aircooled RD350 Yamaha, my dad said 50's were just powerful enough to get you into trouble...... so a 350, which was replaced by 3 bikes in the house about 8 months later..... OR50 Suzuki, TS 125 ER Suzuki and a XL185 S Honda. After that I had and bought many bikes, and still have 3 in the garage now, though I have gone off them a bit more recently. I believe it is vital to try teach kids respect, sensibility and reponsibility today for the roads we use. I tought an ex girlfriends son at age 15 on my BMW R80/7 which was 800cc of bulk. However, he never lobbed it, did his CBT and went onto a Vespa P 125 and today rides a SV650 which he respects and at age 22 he is a reasonably safe and sensible rider. I guess the angels looked after my brother and I , he wa 12 when we got the 350, and now we are 44 and 42 , so I hope many other youngsters learn and progress to riding, and keep the faith for life. Thanks for all the input guys.
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Feb 22, 2007 16:55:34 GMT
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PS, I cannot wheely, do stoppies, etc, but I can ride fast, safely and consistently, with consideration. Wish I could do the " " things stunt riders can ;D ;D ;D ;D SCOOTER ANYONE ?? The 800cc BMW I built and then tought my girlfriends son to ride on
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Feb 22, 2007 17:05:57 GMT
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Always thought about doing my CBT, just for something to do really - although riding to work would be loads cheaper than driving. A good friend of mine who has always hated cars and driving (could just never get enthusiastic about them) passed his CBT, got a 125cc, loved every minute of it. Unfortunately he hit a fox on his way to work one morning, damaged his bike and lost his mojo as he didn't get straight back into it.
How much £ are you looking min for a cheap but won't-cause-hassle bike?
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Feb 22, 2007 17:19:35 GMT
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Always thought about doing my CBT, just for something to do really - although riding to work would be loads cheaper than driving. A good friend of mine who has always hated cars and driving (could just never get enthusiastic about them) passed his CBT, got a 125cc, loved every minute of it. Unfortunately he hit a fox on his way to work one morning, damaged his bike and lost his mojo as he didn't get straight back into it. How much £ are you looking min for a cheap but won't-cause-hassle bike? How long is a piece of string ? I have a BMW1150 GS which is prolly worht about £4500, and then a 100cc Kawasaki worth about £300 plus, both could give trouble on any day, so I guess it depends on what you want to do etc. Check out biketrader, or some of the for sale forums on bike sites.
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Feb 22, 2007 18:26:05 GMT
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ill be doing my CBT soon, didnt realise u could pass it on a twist and go then ride a geared scoot on the road, might go for that.
then ill be unleasing the blue bomber on to the world!!! a P125X, well it started as a 125
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Feb 22, 2007 18:31:50 GMT
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ill be doing my CBT soon, didnt realise u could pass it on a twist and go then ride a geared scoot on the road, might go for that. then ill be unleasing the blue bomber on to the world!!! a P125X, well it started as a 125 LOVE VESPA's Grew up on them, never really knew Li's till I came here. My last P150 X I re-MOT'd when I swapped my ex girlfriend for a 1959 VW Beetle, to be reg'd as a 125 as her son could only ride 125 cc at the time. Yep, amazing what you can do when you draw someones attention away from what is going down on the license documents ;D
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Mr S
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Feb 22, 2007 21:32:32 GMT
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Pillock (doesn't seem right calling someone I've never met that! lol) My recentish purchases have been a Suzuki GS500E, done 44k miles, all I did was a quick service and it was my Mrs' bike for about 6 months. Did 50+mpg, would do 110mph and cost £300! After that I bought her a Yamaha FZR600 for £600 which again was fine and did maybe 45-50mpg. She rides a Kawasaki ZZR600 now, that cost £670 and is yet again fine!
Basically, as long as it's not falling apart, anything Japanese from the early nineties shouldn't cause any major hassles and be fairly cheap to buy and run!
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