grahamj
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Feb 10, 2013 22:43:45 GMT
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I bought a stolen recovered car on a Q plate, can i get an age related plate?....Any insurance issues to look out for ?
thanks in anticipation.
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1985 Vauxhall Nova Base show car
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ChasR
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Feb 10, 2013 23:20:42 GMT
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AFAIK unless the car's identity/year of manufacture can be proven it will have to stay on a Q plate (that includes attempting to put on a private plate as well). After all, Q I thought stood for 'Questionable Identity'. Saying that, many imported cars used to end up on Q plates, but with a stolen recovered car, I guess it is a different matter.
Insurance I cannot comment on. Some companies may get funny but you should be fine through the specialist channels (although I think some classic policies refuse to insure Q plates). I shall leave it for people who have owned Q plates to comment on this matter.
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Rob M
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Feb 10, 2013 23:32:11 GMT
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Nope, the Q plate has to stay on the car, unless you can prove its original identity.
My car had to be changed to a Q plate in the late 90s and my existing insurer cancelled the policy as soon as i told them. IIRC, not all insurers want to know and, possibly, it will cost you more than a car of a "known ID"
Maybe things are different now but, in defence of insurers, they are being asked to insure a car with no real idea of its age, history or whether it has ever been a total loss, basically, they could be insuring a bitsa car.
If that car was stolen/recovered I would be digging like mad to find out its origins.
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grahamj
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Feb 10, 2013 23:46:05 GMT
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I'm gonna ring Vauxhall uk, (its a Nova GTE) tmorro, see if they can shed some light on its year of manufacture by vin number, see if they can help.. you never know? As regards to insurance, its listed on my trade policy, i better check there is no nasties around the corner, should i claim....
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2005 VW T5 Dayvan
1997 VW T4 Dayvan
Vauxhall Nova 2 Litre Redtop
1970 Moggy Van..
94 vw Passat Bus
1985 Vauxhall Nova Base show car
1987 Vauxhall Nova 1.4 16v XE Rallycar
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rodney
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some people would buy a rotten shell and use that to help remedy the situation, not that I'm sugesting anything like that,.
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Could be on a Q because it has been 'rung' ie no determinate age because the VIN has come from another car.
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grahamj
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umm... just so happens i have another rolling shell mrrodney...
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2005 VW T5 Dayvan
1997 VW T4 Dayvan
Vauxhall Nova 2 Litre Redtop
1970 Moggy Van..
94 vw Passat Bus
1985 Vauxhall Nova Base show car
1987 Vauxhall Nova 1.4 16v XE Rallycar
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Could be on a Q because it has been 'rung' ie no determinate age because the VIN has come from another car. The car in question being a Nova puts it in the right time period for the car to have been rung and some point, so the VIN might be a duplicate or faked. This could be a good use for a V888 form with the DVLA, they might be able to tell you when it acquired this plate, see what you can find out from there. |
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bortaf
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Feb 11, 2013 13:13:30 GMT
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TBH it will cost more to "try" and get the Q plate removed than any insurance hilke you may or may not have to pay cos of it  |
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Last Edit: Feb 11, 2013 13:13:43 GMT by bortaf
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grahamj
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Feb 11, 2013 21:19:40 GMT
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It states, first registration, 1997 on the V5 ??!
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2005 VW T5 Dayvan
1997 VW T4 Dayvan
Vauxhall Nova 2 Litre Redtop
1970 Moggy Van..
94 vw Passat Bus
1985 Vauxhall Nova Base show car
1987 Vauxhall Nova 1.4 16v XE Rallycar
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Feb 11, 2013 21:30:02 GMT
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If its got a legit VIN number can't really think why it's on a Q, unless its been built up from several vehicles with no identity to start with? A letter from vauxhall or one of the clubs stating the date of manufacture from the VIN should be enough to remove the Q, just take it in to your local DVLA office.
It may however have a VIN about a mile long which is one of the police/ DVLA ones which isn't going to help matters - the original vin will be gone in this case and it stays on a Q, i've also seen bikes registered with just a police incident number stamped on the head stock - again doesn't help matters at all.
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kenb
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Feb 11, 2013 21:54:37 GMT
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The clue to this is in the OP's opening line in the first post I would have thought.
DVLA don't put cars onto Q plates without good reason. It not an import there's no question over it registration date. So that only leaves the VIN number has been tampered with or its two cars in one. Its game over in that case.
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grahamj
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Feb 11, 2013 22:13:08 GMT
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VIN plate aint there , just been stamped in the slam panel, no number by the drivers seat either......Tmorro I lift the carpet, have a look for the weld across the floorpan....lol
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2005 VW T5 Dayvan
1997 VW T4 Dayvan
Vauxhall Nova 2 Litre Redtop
1970 Moggy Van..
94 vw Passat Bus
1985 Vauxhall Nova Base show car
1987 Vauxhall Nova 1.4 16v XE Rallycar
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killerbee
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Feb 12, 2013 14:39:59 GMT
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if it was stolen it makes sense that it has no numbers, prev owner may have ID'd it based on marks only they know exist (kids crayon on back of seat etc, ding from garden fence post thats hard to see). Then the insurer may have paid out, the car is found later, and someone buys it at auction before or after it's Q plated. Most these hatches got broken into at some point, we ran an MG metro and it got broken into about once a week at one point.
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grahamj
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Feb 12, 2013 17:22:44 GMT
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I rang DVLA, they said if i can get Vauxhall to verify year of manufacture by VIN, they will give me an age related plate, rang Vauxhall, heritage dept, they informed me they only work part time (!).... they will get back to me, i wont hold me breath.... I ask the kiddies on PNG Nova group if the chassis number i have sounds like any other GTE........
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2005 VW T5 Dayvan
1997 VW T4 Dayvan
Vauxhall Nova 2 Litre Redtop
1970 Moggy Van..
94 vw Passat Bus
1985 Vauxhall Nova Base show car
1987 Vauxhall Nova 1.4 16v XE Rallycar
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if your other shell has its numbers in tact and you cant get a age related plate on it , then if you know how to use a rivet gun and how to cut a piece of bad metal out a car and perfectely replace it it with a new piece welded in and ground flush then your gte could easily be sorted, not that any off that was meant in any form to promote ilegal activity,.
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killerbee
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starting to sound like the mini forum in here |
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This thread needs pix..... Badass 480BHP Escos I shot for Fast Ford a few months back. The 'Q' just added to its appeal in my opinion ;D     |
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ChasR
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Feb 13, 2013 14:14:52 GMT
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starting to sound like the mini forum in here I thought they took people to the stake who even mentioned ringing! That does not mean to say that a number of Minis there on tax exempt plates look like tax exempt models (even by having the later 2 dial arrangement over the steering wheel!). |
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killerbee
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Feb 13, 2013 16:26:55 GMT
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starting to sound like the mini forum in here I thought they took people to the stake who even mentioned ringing! That does not mean to say that a number of Minis there on tax exempt plates look like tax exempt models (even by having the later 2 dial arrangement over the steering wheel!). The forum may be strict(ish) on the issue but the shows certainly aren't. I always thought Q plate cars looked a bit cooler and it wouldn't bother more people i know to run one. |
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