stealthstylz
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@stealthstylz
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Jan 26, 2013 21:06:50 GMT
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Anybody ever tried it? Again on the Fiat, there isn't an issue but I want to raise the power by 70-80bhp and the DMF's are know for imploding fairly quickly.
Matt
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froggy
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Jan 26, 2013 22:01:28 GMT
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Done a few for penniless taxi drivers and dodgy car traders and haven't heard anything afterwards , always done them in situ through the starter hole with a bit of pressure on the pedal to keep it square
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Jan 26, 2013 22:09:47 GMT
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Would it not make sense to convert to a solid wheel and clutch setup or is there not a kit?
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stealthstylz
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Welding Dual Mass Flywheelstealthstylz
@stealthstylz
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Jan 26, 2013 22:22:49 GMT
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Apparently I can put a Fiat Coupe Turbo SMF and clutch on it, need to do some more investigation now only found out after I posted this.
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Jan 26, 2013 22:29:50 GMT
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If your still struggling to find out drop me a PM with details of car, theres an italian specalist by me who know far too much about fiats i can ask him on monday if you need.
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Jan 28, 2013 12:39:53 GMT
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How much is a kit to convert it? My dad's got an '03 Mondeo and it sounds terrible and is impossible to start. I'd want to change it for him if there was a solid flywheel available.
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andyborris
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Jan 28, 2013 19:05:45 GMT
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I've got a Polo Diesel, the clutch is on the way out and the conversions (or a new dual mass) are too much money, more than the car is worth!
I was thinking about just re-using the old dual mass, so does the welding up work? And how does it work?
Thanks
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RobinJI
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Jan 28, 2013 20:10:00 GMT
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andyborris - What diesel polo is it? A solid flywheel shouldn't be any more than £40/50 from a breakers if it's a 1.9 I've got a spare one here, but it'd probably be as much to post as you could pick one up locally for!
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Rich
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Jan 28, 2013 20:38:05 GMT
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How much is a kit to convert it? My dad's got an '03 Mondeo and it sounds terrible and is impossible to start. I'd want to change it for him if there was a solid flywheel available. Is it diesel? Techniclutch on eBay supply smf conversion kits for the 5 and 6 speed jag x type which is compatible with the tdci Mondeo and makes it drive like a new car! Look it up.. Cheaper than a dmf too! |
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froggy
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Jan 28, 2013 22:26:34 GMT
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if the dmf is worn then you need to put some pressure on the clutch to keep it centered as you weld it up , the downside is that nearly all dmf set ups use a rigid centre plate so the clutch gets a bit more grief to deal with .
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I had a polo diesel, 96 model, and had problems....at the time DMf was unheard of. I was a driving instructor at the time hence the problem. At the time, vw told me it was the gearbox due to learner drivers, a specialist gearbox company diagnosed the DMf, vw denied there was a problem , however, when I went to order one ( at huge cost) I was told that there were 200 of them in stock in Bristol......... I did wonder why, and now we know!
My father used to work in Iran in the 70s as plant manager, lots of land rovers , and had big problems getting parts shipped and I remember him saying that they would re line clutches and weld the centres where the springs would break ( due to awful drivers). This resulted in them being impossible to pull away smoothly and then broke half shafts as a result!
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andyborris
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What's the chances of re-using the DMF, when fitting a new clutch, on this 1.9 diesel Polo?
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You can fit a new clutch on an old DMF as long as it's not worn out, depends if it's within tolerance on rocking and freeplay. Also usual flywheel checks like scoring, cracking, hot spots still apply. Does it rattle on start up or switch off?
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andyborris
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Jan 29, 2013 19:31:39 GMT
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. Does it rattle on start up or switch off? It's a diesel, so god knows! ;D Guess I'll wait till finally dies and pull it apart, it'll either fix or I'll have a head start on breaking it! |
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Jan 29, 2013 23:20:57 GMT
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We normally convert Transit diesels, the solid flywheel conversion kit including new clutch slave and fork is around £400 whereas the dmf equilavent is £600. The "accepted" tolerances are 30mm side to side and 10mm in and out.
All these new ideas are just the devil to themselves; EGR valves, DMFs, DPFs.
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Jan 29, 2013 23:55:01 GMT
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Yes it's all stuff that we need and have to have, and, err..... It's expensive and no better than what we have had for the last 50 years. Amazon clutch 80 quid. It works, down for stop, up for go and somewhere in between is go a bit. What's new? :-)
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bortaf
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Jan 30, 2013 11:06:30 GMT
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How do you weld the center of a DMF with the clutch on ?
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froggy
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Jan 30, 2013 13:10:31 GMT
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Mondeo,s you can weld them up with the starter out of the way , the only other one I did was a Peugot can't remember which one and we pulled the box back to get at it.
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