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Jan 21, 2013 13:19:07 GMT
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i know i'll have to do some cutting and splicing of the old wires to fit a modern head unit but it looks to me (at a glance) that the space the old radio takes up is actually the same so i don't think i need to do any chopping around to fit it in the dashboard am i being too hopeful there? - i'm pretty sure old radios were a different size to new ones but haven't had to swap over for years and years it's a 79 cortina btw (bit like this one)
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Jan 21, 2013 15:56:07 GMT
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If it's like the one in the photo, then there's every chance it'll be a spindle mount. This is where the radio is fixed into the dash by nuts on the back of the volume/tuning knobs. Spindle mounts tend to have a rectangular hole in the middle for the radio/cassette main section then the two seperate holes either side for the spindles.
99% of modern car stereos use a DIN size mount which is a single large rectangular hole in the dash. The stereo for these are mounted via a cage which slides into the hole and tabs around the edge of the cage are pressed in to hold the cage in place (generally, no bolts to hold in place with the exception of a lot of 80's & 90's Japanese cars). Once the cage is secured, the DIN stereo is slid into the hole.
There is a 'crossover' period where car manufacturers put DIN sized holes in the dash/centre console to allow for easy fitment of the 'new' DIN stereos (most likely on higher spec models) then fitted spindle mount stereos on the lower spec models using an adapter plate.
If your car has a spindle mount stereo, it could possibly have the spindle mount dash which will mean cutting to open it out to a DIN sized slot....or it could (if you're lucky) have a spindle mount on an adaptor plate which, once unbolted, leaves you with a DIN sized slot for a more modern stereo to be easity fitted.
Unless a Cortina nut knows exactly what arrangement your dash has, the only way you'll properly find out is to unbolt the spindle mount radio and have a look.
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Jan 21, 2013 16:10:01 GMT
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Just to clarify, here is a pic I found of a spindle mount stereo (not a particularly great pic, but it gives you an idea) You can see where the spindles (volume and tuning knobs) have thread which is where some nuts are used to secure the stereo to the dashboard. To fit a more modern stereo, you'll need to cut all the dash away to make a big enough hole for the new style stereo to fit (a template to get the hole accurate would be a good idea) Another alternative, if you do have a spindle mount stereo and don't want to cut the dash, is to fit one of the modern spindle mount stereos that come in a whole range of different styles to suit all eras and models of car: www.classiccarstereo.co.uk/
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Jan 21, 2013 16:24:02 GMT
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I think those retro sound ones can be modified into different positions as well (eg where the centre display is, how far apart the knobs are, etc...). I was looking at them before and they were pretty cool
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Jan 21, 2013 16:36:44 GMT
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well i'm now hoping as it's a ghia they might have thought about the din size and put in the adapter plate - no idea if that was posible in 79 though
i'm aware the actual radio bit is much smaller than the full space the thing takes up - didn't realise it was actually held in by the two spindle knobs though
this is the first car i have ever owned where i'm actually considering leaving it as it is because it's almost exactly as it left the factory 33 years ago but i could really do with being able to listen to my music and i have a spare head unit sat ready to go in
i am going to have to think about speakers next too as it's only got the one in the dash (won't be cuttting into the door cards that's for sure) - if i can fit say 1 6x9 in it's place i could probably live with that
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Jan 21, 2013 16:57:18 GMT
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The mk5 had the stereo in the centre console the heater controls where your radio is and fresh air vents where your heater controls are, a mk5 centre console will fit in quite easily, give you a place to mount a DIN unit as well as some useable extra space.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Jan 21, 2013 17:03:05 GMT
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The mk5 had the stereo in the centre console the heater controls where your radio is and fresh air vents where your heater controls are, a mk5 centre console will fit in quite easily, give you a place to mount a DIN unit as well as some useable extra space. this is true and sensible but then i end up with two head units installed which (call me weird) for some reason would make me unhappy
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squonk
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Jan 21, 2013 19:08:48 GMT
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I used to work as a car radio fitter in the eighties and did loads of these. I seem to recall that the in dash aperture of a Mk3 or Mk4 Cortina cannot have a standard DIN size head unit fitted neatly into the aperture. It has to be severly butchered and never looks good when it is done. The common mod we did was to fit the later centre console which was DIN compatible or to install a universal under dash fitting kit.
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Jan 21, 2013 19:20:25 GMT
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I used to work as a car radio fitter in the eighties and did loads of these. I seem to recall that the in dash aperture of a Mk3 or Mk4 Cortina cannot have a standard DIN size head unit fitted neatly into the aperture. It has to be severly butchered and never looks good when it is done. The common mod we did was to fit the later centre console which was DIN compatible or to install a universal under dash fitting kit. thanks - it's good to have this info even if it isn't what i want to hear - i'll still take the radio out and see what the score is though
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squonk
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Jan 21, 2013 23:13:28 GMT
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If I remember rightly (which I probably don't!!) I think you have to remove the glove box, release the radio spindle nuts and draw it out backwards and along through the glove box hole. I seem to recall that the spindles are mounted through the metal frame of the dashboard.
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Jan 21, 2013 23:16:08 GMT
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This is interesting as like stuartp I'm running a 79 Tina and was thinking of the same, as mine is the standard Ford radio and no good to man nor beast still fettling the engine electrics and brakes etc.. But the sound system does need upgrading Most of the time all I can get is radio 3,4 or some french thing
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Jan 21, 2013 23:58:56 GMT
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the radio is spindle mounted, you need to remve knobs etc then undo the 2 nuts. remove glovebox & push radio in then remove through glovebox. as you want to fit a modern din radio you'll have to remove dash. it will take ages to explain here. simple job with a haynes manual. once removed you'll have to cut original steel radio mount out of dash, the dash surround will need triming but a din radio will fit. bortaf can prob provide online pics. or go to www.buysellcortina.co.uk for mre info.
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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the radio is spindle mounted, you need to remve knobs etc then undo the 2 nuts. remove glovebox & push radio in then remove through glovebox. as you want to fit a modern din radio you'll have to remove dash. it will take ages to explain here. simple job with a haynes manual. once removed you'll have to cut original steel radio mount out of dash, the dash surround will need triming but a din radio will fit. bortaf can prob provide online pics. or go to www.buysellcortina.co.uk for mre info. already sounds like a massive pain and something i'd definitely mess up also would be a shame if the next owner really cared about keeping stuff standard reckon i might well have to get the mk5 centre console (or just a general one) and then think about what to do with the original radio - just blank off that bit or something cheers for all the info guys
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Jan 22, 2013 11:21:32 GMT
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reckon I might well have to get the mk5 centre console (or just a general one) and then think about what to do with the original radio - just blank off that bit or something You could do the aux in mod to the old radio, or shove a small amp behind the dash and put an aux in lead in a strategic place for your phone/mp3 player. If you do the amp you could wire both the old radio and aux/rca into it and get both worlds, and probably a bit better sound quality.
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Last Edit: Jan 22, 2013 11:50:00 GMT by dude
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Jan 22, 2013 11:52:12 GMT
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reckon I might well have to get the mk5 centre console (or just a general one) and then think about what to do with the original radio - just blank off that bit or something You could do the aux in mod to the old radio, or shove a small amp behind the dash and put a aux in lead in a strategic place for your phone/mp3 player. If you do the amp you could wire both the old radio and aux/rca into it and get both worlds, and probably a bit better sound quality. there is actually a modern head unit you can buy that has usb and sd card inputs on it but fits in the old style radio mount but.... i'm an old fashioned guy, no mp3 player and no music on my phone, i have literally thousands of cds though - and ridiculous amounts of vinyl but that won't work in the car ;-) although i could get by with a usb / aux or headphone jack in i'd much rather be able to play my cds aswell (i have a head unit ready to go too)
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Jan 22, 2013 12:54:16 GMT
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right, now i want to fit one of these wonder if they ever made a 12" version? if they did i'll have to get two and a dashboard mounted mixer ;-)
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Jan 23, 2013 16:35:45 GMT
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ok, i have sourced a mk5 centre console bit that hangs under the dash and has space for a DIN stereo. will start thinking about where i might put speakers now without cutting into anything (or spending too much) and what to use to fill the gap where the original spindle radio is / was
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Jan 23, 2013 17:17:45 GMT
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wonder if they ever made a 12" version? No, they didn't, I'm afraid - but even if they did I wouldn't want to risk anything in one. Shame you can't access that collection of music in the car though.
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Jan 24, 2013 22:14:39 GMT
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taken the old radio out, would definitely need some cutting to fit a modern one in it's place so i'm not doing that. i'll just put a blanking plate or something over the space i reckon
couple of further questions before i install the replacement now:
old radio just had ignition power so can i take a permanent live from something under the dash (cigar lighter, clock?) for the new one or do i need to run a wire through the bulkhead directly to the battery?
i guess i can just run the earth wire from the stereo to some bare metal somewhere?
there is currently just one speaker on the top of the dashboard - it's cool to wire up left and right to just one speaker innit?
cheers
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squonk
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Jan 24, 2013 23:18:02 GMT
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It depends on the current draw taken down the permanent live feed. If it's only an amp or so you should be fine taking it from the cigarette lighter. Any more than that and you should run a fused feed from the battery. Put the fuse at the battery end and make sure that where you feed the cable through the bulkhead the hole is grometted.
Earth wire to the metal of the car is fine. Wiring left and right outputs to just one speaker will only have one result....... BANG - dead output stage of stereo.
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