fred
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Running a MK 4 Cortina with a 2.9 Cossie lump in her and I really need to uprate the braking. As it can get a bit heart fluttery at times the brakes at the Mo are the standard 2.3 'Tina system as that is what it was originally Been told to fit 2.8 discs n calipers, but I'm thinking they cant be much different??
any ideas clever sorts out there
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fred
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And running on 13 inch rims, engine has been rolling roaded at 208 bhp so I need some decent anchors!!
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'79 Cossie ran Cortina - Sold
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'85 Opel Manta GSI - Sold
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Jan 18, 2013 11:18:25 GMT
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Fitting 2.8i Capri vented disks and spaced M16 Calipers would help with brake fade, but won't give you any more braking force, as the pad area will be the same as what you have at the moment. What is it about the current brakes that causes concern? Is it that they fade, or won't lock the wheels, or don't pull up straight? If you want more pad area, a lot of kit cars use the Mk3/4/5 front suspension uprights and brakes so there are a lot of uprated disks and calipers available from kit car and similar suppliers. I know Rally Design www.rallydesign.co.uk/?homepage=4 do a range of calipers. One thing to consider if you go down the Capri vented disk route, is avoid cheap pattern parts as they have a tendancy to warp very quickly (I've got some on my Mk1 Cortina which have done just that and that is a very light car, compared to a Mk4 with a V6). Hope this gives some food for thought. Cortinaman
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Old Fords never die they just go sideways
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fred
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Jan 18, 2013 14:32:44 GMT
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They do have a tendency to fade, thanks for the link, will go have a looksee
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Jan 18, 2013 23:01:36 GMT
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because you are using 13s, you are limited to brakes I think 285mm are about as big as you can go, More pad area will help, and I think I would be going down the route of capri vents, and Mk2 Granada Vented calipers, (M18s) the pad area is about 50% bigger, but use the same size piston as the M16s that you have so no upgrade is needed on the master cyl, the callipers share the same bolt pitching so they bolt on without a problem,. the other option is the Princess 4 pots, again bolt on, but are getting hard to find and expensive for that reason. Good pads are really a benefit, I liked Green stuff but the last set I used really did not seem to be any where as good as the earlier ones I had used. I'm sure people will be along to give you advise on what to use, what size drums are you using, I think the 2.3s used bigger drums on the back which would help too,
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Jan 18, 2013 23:21:22 GMT
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use the capri vented disc with the mk2 granada caliper as said above i use this setup on my 302 V8 powered mk3 along with solid rear discs with sierra rear calipers & hb cable (same as used on atlas axled capri's.)
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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fred
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Jan 18, 2013 23:46:01 GMT
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Thanks for all the useful advice Now looking on Burton power for some Capri vented discs, and onto evilbay for Mk 2 granny calipers Yes I think the rear drums are larger, according to my old ford buddy, I'm a vauxhall chap, who has wandered into Fords!!
Although if I check my bank account I may just visit the rally design website posted above, got some very nice things!
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I thought Mondeo Calipers and discs were the way to go due to their more effective manner of dissipating heat (into the wheel itself and not the bearings). Or do they require 15" wheels? Are Princess Calipers not mean to be the same/worse than a set of good M16s due to their effective piston area, and their relatively large weight?: www.rallydesign.co.uk/pdf/designing_4_pot_brakes.pdfI can echo the comment about pattern parts. I am not a fan of EBC stuff myself but I have had great sucess with the Mintex M1144 pads on previous cars (Great cold bit and pretty fade free .
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fred
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Ive looked at the Mondeo route, and I would need larger rims Which I don't really want, as the rims Ive got now just suit the motor Think the capri vented with mk2 granny calipers are a decent bet Indeed pattern parts I have had some issues in the past with Mintex - Ive never used, could be worth a try thanks for that
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I thought Mondeo Calipers and discs were the way to go due to their more effective manner of dissipating heat (into the wheel itself and not the bearings). Or do they require 15" wheels? Are Princess Calipers not mean to be the same/worse than a set of good M16s due to their effective piston area, and their relatively large weight?: www.rallydesign.co.uk/pdf/designing_4_pot_brakes.pdfI can echo the comment about pattern parts. I am not a fan of EBC stuff myself but I have had great sucess with the Mintex M1144 pads on previous cars (Great cold bit and pretty fade free . Princess callipers, Yes they are heavy, they are also a curse word to plumb too, the Cross Sectional Area of the pistons is very similar, but the pad area is huge compared to the M16, which will help against fade, as there is more area to allow heat dissipation, I would guess the fade being talked about is gaseous rather than fluid boiling, so grooved discs may be an option later if fade is still a problem, cross drilling does promote cracking of the discs, so I would leave that well alone. Be careful when looking for Granada callipers, you need the Vented type with the spacer, not the poverty spec non vent,
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Last Edit: Jan 19, 2013 8:42:49 GMT by v8ian
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I haven't read the above comments so I'm sorry if I'm repeating what others have said. On my escort I am using willwood four pot powerlite calipers and 2.8 Capri drums on the rear and it stops really well, a servo would make it feel even better. If your wanting the slider type calipers you can use mondeo calipers and v6 sierra discs with Caprisport brackets but they only fit with 7" wide 13's minimum.
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Jan 19, 2013 10:52:04 GMT
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when did you last change the fluid, and what pads are you using?
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Jan 19, 2013 11:21:11 GMT
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Welshpug has a point. Some decent brake fluid (Normal DOT 4 will be fine, or ATE Super Blue if you wish to go for a superior fluid) along with good pads (M1144s as an example) will help. But I do also believe that the Granada vented setup as suggested is the way to go, especially since you have a good chunk of BHP over a stock 2.3. Was this not the era when Ford underspecified their brakes according to mofidifiers of the time?
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Jan 19, 2013 14:43:42 GMT
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On a cortina it's all about balence, if the rears aint 100% spot on the front do all the work and overheat in quick time. If you can lock the front wheels it's better tyres you need not better brakes caprisport have some great setups but I allways go the same way as sheff and Ian, Mk2 granny calipers and capri vents with the dust plate removed, any more and you need bigger wheels and tyres really and as Ian points out bigger pistons in the caliper will need master cylinder mods and that will affect the rear so then that needs looking into, consider the granny/capri set up as the best you can get without other mods.
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Jan 19, 2013 20:15:54 GMT
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Good point about the brake fluid, unsure. Pads are bog standard, In agreement with the granny/capri set up, looks like the way forward, but will get the brake fluid changed as well Good work gents Thank you all
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2000 Fozzer 2.0 turbo snow beast
'85 Opel Manta GSI - Sold
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Jan 22, 2013 19:27:34 GMT
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looks like there is a set of these brakes for sale over on turbosport forum at moment.
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fred
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Jan 22, 2013 20:54:37 GMT
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Thanks for that one *goes has a peek* :-)
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'79 Cossie ran Cortina - Sold
2000 Fozzer 2.0 turbo snow beast
'85 Opel Manta GSI - Sold
03 A class Mercedes
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