sowen
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2L-3L diesel engine options?sowen
@sowen
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Nov 18, 2012 23:07:13 GMT
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Just a bit of daydreaming at the moment but I've been thinking about building something rwd and diesel powered using an engine around the 2 litre to 3 litre 4-6 cylinder size. I'm familiar with Land Rover 200tdi's, but they are far too heavy for what I would want. I'm thinking most suitable engines would be normally found in other cars or medium/light 4x4's or vans.
What suitable engines are out there for transplant into the average mid-full size saloon/estate car that are readily available, reliable and have potential? What's already rwd and what can be converted with standard factory parts, are they mechanical injection or ecu control and rough dimensions and weights?
Some possibilities that spring to my mind are:
Peugot XUD, Rover L-series, Perkins Prima on the Rover lt77 gearbox. I have a friend with a diesel 205 which I want to attack with a tape measure at some point, and the Rover/Perkins lumps are dimensionally similar to their petrol counterparts which I am also familiar with.
Mercedez OM604/5/6
Volkswagon 1.9tdi
Is there already a guide somewhere online that would have some relevant information?
I've thought that it would possibly be a good idea to get as much of this information as possible, and compile a list of viable swaps in one place as a quick reference point for everyone to benefit from?
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Copey
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Nov 18, 2012 23:40:45 GMT
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bmw do some decent diesels  |
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec
1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Nov 18, 2012 23:43:45 GMT
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Was going to say the same - those Merc engines are usually charged with a big premium  (and heavy lumps too) |
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Iveco 2.8 turbo 4-pot is a very nice engine: strong, and quite economical. It is, however, rather heavy. And quite large. I do want to drop one in an SD1 though. |
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Last Edit: Nov 19, 2012 0:02:02 GMT by jrevillug
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Mitsubishi 4M40 intercooled turbo diesel from the Pajero/Shogun, Delica, Triton, etc. 2.8 litres, mechanical injection and they go pretty well for a mechanical diesel. Very reliable and long-lasting. Don't get the naturally aspirated engines because they're very slow!
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1.9 out of an LDV Pilot ?
Paul H
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MattE
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Peugeot 2.2 bottom end with a 1.9 head running a bosh manual fuel pump and the 2.2 turbo, good for 250bhp+ with the pump turned up and a fair bit of black smoke on boost ;-). Bell housing from an LDV pilot, lt77 box and the hole lot will run on veg @ 78p per litre.
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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another vote for the omega / bmw 2.5 straight six - got one now and it sounds nice, drives nice, pulls well - is leccy pumped though, so a bit of ecu / loom faff for swapping - tis do-able though, as I've seen it done in a scimitar on here - the iveco motor james mentions is a great engine, but very 'trucky' - and it's indeed a big old heavy lump, very suitable to big old yank pickups though doubt I'd want to put one in a 'normal' sized car though the vw 1.9 lump can be span round on a 2.4 diesel volvo gearbox afaik, but I have not done this myself, so unsure as to what is involved - bellhousings match from what I've been told though let us know how you get on! |
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
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''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Nov 19, 2012 10:39:50 GMT
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I know nothing about them but you could look into a volvo 940 diesel, if they built them as strong and simple as the old 4 pot petrol engine they should be ok, will already be RWD, should have the indestructible 5 speed gearbox or the nearly indestructible 4 speed + overdrive and be cheap to buy a whole donor car. www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=3289 |
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Nov 19, 2012 12:10:38 GMT
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another vote for the omega / bmw 2.5 straight six - got one now and it sounds nice, drives nice, pulls well - is leccy pumped though, so a bit of ecu / loom faff for swapping - tis do-able though, as I've seen it done in a scimitar on here - the iveco motor james mentions is a great engine, but very 'trucky' - and it's indeed a big old heavy lump, very suitable to big old yank pickups though doubt I'd want to put one in a 'normal' sized car though the vw 1.9 lump can be span round on a 2.4 diesel volvo gearbox afaik, but I have not done this myself, so unsure as to what is involved - bellhousings match from what I've been told though let us know how you get on! The Iveco is also really quite tall to hide within a normal car engine bay. Kev, I'm pretty sure the VW 1.9TD/TDI engines are not the same bellhousing pattern as the Volvo. The Volvos used VW D24 engines, like the ones in LT35s and the like. As far as I know, there isn't anything any intercompatibility between the two. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_D24_engine |
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village
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Nov 19, 2012 14:02:53 GMT
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VW AAB/AJA 2.4 straight 5 as found in T4Transporters and Audi 100/A6 (in europe at least).
plonk a turbo on it, get an LDA fitted to the IP and get some "PP3" injectors from a bloke called "Rake" on the vwt4forum, should be good for 160+ bhp and will sound like a diesel audi quattro......
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"The White Van is strong with this one...."
Chris "Chesney" Allen 1976-2005 RIP
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sowen
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2L-3L diesel engine options?sowen
@sowen
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Nov 19, 2012 17:30:33 GMT
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There's a few interesting suggestions there, I'll do a bit more research into the VW/Volvo/Audi and BMW offerings, and start drawing up a list for myself.
Depending on the design of the engine, I'm not afraid of making an adapter to suit alternative gearboxes, I have a small pile of Rover lt77 and r380 gearboxes that I'm familiar with.
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Nov 19, 2012 19:43:15 GMT
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VW AAB/AJA 2.4 straight 5 as found in T4Transporters and Audi 100/A6 (in europe at least). plonk a turbo on it, get an LDA fitted to the IP and get some "PP3" injectors from a bloke called "Rake" on the vwt4forum, should be good for 160+ bhp and will sound like a diesel audi quattro...... On what gearbox? I have C4 A6 with the 2.5 TDI 5 pot and it's a fine engine - Considered finding another to go in my 2.5PI Triumph..... but what gearbox? There is some electrickery too. Nick |
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend)
1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing)
1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Nov 19, 2012 20:13:13 GMT
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That's blasphemy Nick!
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Koos
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Nov 19, 2012 20:32:53 GMT
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Peugeot 2.3D or the 2.5 Turbo version as found in 504/ 505 and CX's as well as the Sierra's
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village
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Nov 20, 2012 14:13:17 GMT
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VW AAB/AJA 2.4 straight 5 as found in T4Transporters and Audi 100/A6 (in europe at least). plonk a turbo on it, get an LDA fitted to the IP and get some "PP3" injectors from a bloke called "Rake" on the vwt4forum, should be good for 160+ bhp and will sound like a diesel audi quattro...... On what gearbox? I have C4 A6 with the 2.5 TDI 5 pot and it's a fine engine - Considered finding another to go in my 2.5PI Triumph..... but what gearbox? There is some electrickery too. Nick the 2.4 and 2.5 engines are different, the 2.4 is IDI and the 2.5 DI. in the transporter they are attached to an O2B gearbox which is T4 specific with equal length drive shafts and a larger diff. I recently swapped by IDI ABL engine for a TDI AHU one, I really should've compare the two gearboxes whilst I had them detached from the engines. the engine in a transporter leans forwards, all other VW transverse applications have the engine leaning backwards, so I image the mountings on the bell housings are in different orientations. with the AAB/AJA there are very few wires and it has a mech pump. HTH Pete |
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"The White Van is strong with this one...."
Chris "Chesney" Allen 1976-2005 RIP
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Nov 20, 2012 15:01:48 GMT
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I'm using a Toyota D4D lump in my Volvo thing. I've got one from a Dyna flatbed, but its the same engine and 'box as a two wheel drive Hilux. Mine's a 2.5, but they also do a 3.0. Isuzu, Nissan and Mitsubishi all make similar small-ish capacity diesel pickups in RWD flavour....
Joe
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bdtd
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Nov 20, 2012 17:08:01 GMT
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A vote here for the 2.5 mercedes 5 cylinder. Nicest noise I've heard from a diesel bar the big blocks from the Americas.
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Nov 20, 2012 17:52:46 GMT
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I've made a citroen XUD RWD... not particularly worth it IMO. Lots of effort, and a LOT of parts from various vehicles, to be limited to approx 190Bhp before it starts spitting out conrods! (anyone who says otherwise, has no intention of driving it for more than a couple of weeks) Rover L series - Love these lumps the most, but turning one longitudinally, is asking for trouble. The cambelt's on the front (as it should be) but then the fuel pump belt, is on the flywheel side. Changing this, in a normal RWD engine bay, would be an engine-out job. This is why I'm getting an MGF, and slapping one into the back of that  A 220SD can be regularly had for £250< with an MOT! (mech pumps) BMW derv may be the simplest option, and relatively cheap too. Try to find one with a cable operated mech pump for pure ease. |
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You're like a crazy backyard genius! |
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Nov 20, 2012 17:55:08 GMT
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It would need an adaptor for rwd use but a turbo 2.4 5 cylinder Alfa diesel would be great. Also the best sounding diesel in my opinion.
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(and heavy lumps too)
A 220SD can be regularly had for £250< with an MOT! (mech pumps)