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Oct 19, 2012 12:22:55 GMT
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Oct 19, 2012 12:40:07 GMT
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provided it petrudes no further than the end of the front bumper I should imagine all would be ok, anything else would be classed as a risk to predestrians
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Oct 19, 2012 12:40:18 GMT
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It will be a "construction and use" question.
With that in mind there will be a min radius of edges that is acceptable. Also there might be lighting regulations to conform with ie could require lights on protrusion if regs state min distance from furthers point of bodywork.
Viewing what is required for BIVA could give you the legal requirments about radius and lighting.
Paul H
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bl1300
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Oct 19, 2012 12:51:33 GMT
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I imagine it could well affect your beam pattern which could be an MOT issue.
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EmDee
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Oct 19, 2012 12:55:46 GMT
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No, there would be nothing illegal or dangerous about it, this operation must be carried out immediately.*
*There may well be many things illegal and dangerous about it.
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craig1010cc
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Oct 19, 2012 14:08:53 GMT
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I would have thought that if you are replicating the angles similar to a production bonnet (like those above pictured) that the radius ect should be ok even past teh bumper line (you can legaly de-bumper a TR7 and a shark nose would be pretty similar to run into). I think your problem is going to be the lighting side, although 'bad boy' bonnets and brow's have been run in the past. Fitting something slim like a calibra headlight perhaps to limit the shrouding?
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kevfromwales
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Oct 19, 2012 14:15:10 GMT
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I mocked this up pretty extensively on the bluebird, and could see no difference in beam pattern with anything up to a 12" extension
no issue at all on the mot, only thing copper could have you for is sharp edges caused by corrosion or accident damage - go for it!!
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EmDee
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Oct 19, 2012 14:21:37 GMT
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I imagine it could well affect your beam pattern which could be an MOT issue. I mocked this up pretty extensively on the bluebird, and could see no difference in beam pattern with anything up to a 12" extension no issue at all on the mot, only thing copper could have you for is sharp edges caused by corrosion or accident damage - go for it!!  DOOOOO EEEEEEEEET  |
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MrSpeedy
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Oct 19, 2012 14:51:01 GMT
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AFAIK the MOT only checks that your lights aren't set too high so as not to dazzle oncoming traffic. If they're pointing 6 inches infront of the car it's not a fail!
And surely radii of edges only comes into effect on bIVA tests? The MOT only looks for sharp (rusted through or torn/broken) edges that could cause harm
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Smiler
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Oct 19, 2012 16:37:47 GMT
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Not quite, my BMW nearly failed it's MOT because they couldn't get the beam high enough (you have to be able to see where you are going just as much as the on coming car mustn't be dazzled). In the end it was fixed with a bit of sawn off broom handle wedged in a tactical position to force the back of the unit down and so the beam angle up.
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Del
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Oct 19, 2012 17:08:19 GMT
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There was a coachbuilt Accord (?) in the Seventies, the Rapport Ritz, that had a very similar nose. I realise regs may have changed in the meantime, of course.  |
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Last Edit: Oct 19, 2012 17:10:05 GMT by Del
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Garry
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Oct 19, 2012 19:06:15 GMT
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I know where this is going (Instagram follower, the sketch looked amazeballs). Can an MOT-legal front clip be created from the Germanic-brother version of the subect in question and swapped once a year? Or base the mod on that one instead of the original?
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Last Edit: Oct 19, 2012 19:07:31 GMT by Garry
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EmDee
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Oct 19, 2012 21:11:42 GMT
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Silvermac is right, the rapport ritz did have a front end like that but it was mechanical  as was the rapport forte  You thinking what i'm thinking? Couple leccy aerial motors and job's a good un right?  |
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Oct 19, 2012 22:23:47 GMT
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If Kev says its alright, it's alright! It's an idea I'm toying with for the Chevette although I'm yet to work out exactly how it will work, as the bonnet has a complicated profile. I might try and get my hands on a spare bonnet to cut up.
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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stealthstylz
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Oct 19, 2012 22:53:06 GMT
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I can't see how it would work on a Chevette the bonnet doesn't meet the level of the headlights. You'd have to make an extended lip over the nosecone or start with a kadett front I think.
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craig1010cc
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Oct 20, 2012 10:34:22 GMT
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I didn't realise you were thinking of doing it to the stock shuvit nose, I had assumed a kadett nose job was on the cards (would make things much easier and I reckon would turn out better in the long run)
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Oct 20, 2012 11:28:50 GMT
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I'm not really sure it makes too much difference which front end I start with it would need basically the same level of work as regards extending the bonnet and wings. The only difference I can think of is I'd have to butcher the front panel to remove the nose cone, once I get the car stripped, which starts next week (sooooo excited!) I'll see if it's logistically possible with my skills. Anyway work was dead to day and I've got access to MSpaint, prepare your self for a supremely dreadful photo edit lol!  |
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Oct 20, 2012 11:44:17 GMT
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I think it looks cool. Can't see there being a problem unless you are inspired by this one...  |
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Oct 21, 2012 15:31:40 GMT
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I could get a massive one of these on ma old saab the bumper sticks out miles. This is very interesting, i`ve been down the bad boy bonnet route on a citroen ax that went through 2 mots wi no probs and a big piece of the headlight was covered but it didn`t make a massive difference to the beams at night, although most of the corner that was covered was reflector.
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