bl1300
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Oct 10, 2012 15:50:10 GMT
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This vehicle has come in to the workshop because it was knocking badly. The engine has come out and this is what I found warning these pics aren't pretty. That's the contents of the oil sump after the oil was drained out there is a lot of swarthe there and what appear to be needle rollers. One big end has 2mm of play. but that doesn't explain the rollers so further investigation required. So off with the cam cover which revealed this. One of the cam followers has disintergrated to the point that its not even there any more. All that is left are chunks of finally ground metal all over the head and likely blocking all the oil ways. The damage to the rocker is severe enough that the valve it operates would not have been opening. After removing the rocker shaft and seeing the damage to that I expected the cam shaft to be truly destroyed but it isn't. Its not serviceable certainly as there is a chunk of the lobe missing and the lobe is deeply scored, that just shows how hard a cam lobe really is. I'm in too minds weather its worth attempting to rebuild this engine or not. The head is certainly going to need major work, the crank will need to be reground and the con rods replaced and I haven't even got to the bores yet.
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mt2man
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Oct 10, 2012 16:35:09 GMT
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Depending on the car I'm pretty sure it would be more economical to source a new engine, that one looks abit buggered haha.
Whats it from?
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bl1300
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Oct 10, 2012 16:47:34 GMT
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Already got another engine going in to the car I was just wondering whether I could rebuild this one and flog it on. The engine is a Mitsubishi 4D56 2.5 turbo diesel and was fitted to a 1999 L200.
Ive got one out of a scrap Shogun to go in, it took a bit of work as although they are the same basic block there is a lot that has to swapped over.
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Oct 10, 2012 17:45:08 GMT
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It needs a FULL rebuild: rebore, new pistons'n'rings, reground crank, new shells, new oil pump, new cam, new followers. The block and head will need tanking to clean the swarf out, and when it's in bits it'd be silly not to do the valves (including cutting the seats) and stem seals. Doubt you'd get much change from £2k for the parts and machining.
Wouldn't bother rebuilding it. You won't make any money if you sell it as-seen after the rebuild (people pay for rebuilt engines for the assurance that it's not going to go wrong) and if you sell with with a warranty the chances are it'll come back and bite you - especially as this would be, AFAIK, your first rebuild. Everyone makes mistakes first-time round.
Take any useful ancilliaries off it (fuel pump and injectors maybe?) and bin it.
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Last Edit: Oct 10, 2012 17:46:25 GMT by jrevillug
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bl1300
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Oct 10, 2012 18:13:06 GMT
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Yeah I think you're right time for the bin. Ive already had most of the ancilleries of it anyway as I needed them to make the shogun lump work in the L200. Its a fair weight though so I might get something for weighing in the block.
It is pretty F. F. F. F. F. Faulty as my old tutor would say though.
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mt2man
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Oct 10, 2012 18:16:13 GMT
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Clean the block down and make a nice table from it! haha
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niwid
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Oct 11, 2012 21:43:18 GMT
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Wow, what would of caused this out of interest?
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Dez
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I think this is broken.Dez
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Oct 11, 2012 23:45:06 GMT
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probly never had an oil change in its life looking at it, which i suspect sludged up the galleys feeding the rockers, especially the one thats failed.
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I've got photos at home of the inside of a Commodore engine (3 litre DOHC V6) which never had a service or oil change from new. Apparently it lasted 93,000km. Eventually killed by running out of oil. It looks hideous, a lot gunkier than this engine and much drier. I'll put the pics up when I get a chance.
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bl1300
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I suspect your right about gunked up oil ways as the oil screen was fairly blocked up with sludge (and metal shavings) however as for oil changes the oil that was in it wasn't overly viscous as you would expect from stuff that had never been changed and didn't smell burnt. I was also suprised at the amount of oil that was under the cam cover with that failure I expected it to be less prevalent and its not black sludge either it just wipes off. Saying all of that though the oil filter looks 10,000 years old and is a genuine Mitsubishi item so probably hasn't been changed recently.
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Oct 12, 2012 22:58:33 GMT
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Tim
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Oct 13, 2012 11:47:24 GMT
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That looks familiar - we blew the side of the block out of the same engine in the work L200 after the bottom end bolts failed
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