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Righto chaps, I'm rebuilding the wiper motor on my 51 desoto and my electrical guru isn't answering his phone and I think I've got a wire missing but don't know electrical shizz well enough to know for sure. This is what I've got And with the armature removed The bottom brush was connected to the field coil via this wire But the top brush wasn't connected to anything?!? And no wire hanging loose? But there is a tag riveted to the outer body with a small wire going to the field coil. Should it be connected to that? Anyone help?
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Last Edit: Oct 7, 2012 14:36:39 GMT by cairyhunt
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Righto chaps, I'm rebuilding the wiper motor on my 51 desoto and my electrical guru isn't answering his phone and I think I've got a wire missing but don't know electrical shizz well enough to know for sure. Anyone help? Hope so - sorry I didn't see this sooner. ;D This is what I've got Not immediately helpful, but it all looks to be in very good nick for a 61-year-old motor: plenty of meat on the brushes, nice clean relatively unscored commutator, good-looking insulation on the windings, and a distinct lack of corrosion. ;D And with the armature removed It seems that the upper brush in this picure is earthed to the case of the motor without insulation. The lower one appears to be mounted on a peice of insulation material: Tufnol type stuff probably. If so, don't disturb it as it's liable to contain asbestos. I'm going to guess that the live terminal from the switch connects to one of the rivets holding the brush carrier in? The bottom brush was connected to the field coil via this wire Yup, sounds right - positive feed to both the armature (brush) and the field. But the top brush wasn't connected to anything?!? And no wire hanging loose? But there is a tag riveted to the outer body with a small wire going to the field coil. As I mentioned earlier, the top brush appears to be earthed. It also appears that the other side of the field winding is earthed. In fact, I'm quite sure that this is the case, but I'm putting in a note of caution as I don't have the thing in front of me. Should it be connected to that? It is, through the casing of the motor. Just make sure that the mating faces are nice and clean to ensure a good connection. This figure from Wikipedia might help: The round bit with the M in it represents the part of the motor that turns - the armature (windings) and commutator (segmented switch) - an assembly normally referred to as the rotor. The squares abutting the rotor symbol are the brushes. The oblong(s) to the right of the armature represent a resistance: the field windings. The blobs just show that the wires are connected to each other. What you have here is a 'shunt' or parallel wound motor - 'A' in the figure - where the earth return from each winding is passed separately into the motor casing. Finally - as a bit of an aside - if you wanted to make the wipers two speed, a resistor in the wire from the brush to the field would make it spin faster. This is a procedure known as field weakening if you felt like looking up some of the theory. If you have any questions do shout. It's hard to say what value you'd need, though something around a third of the resistance of the field winding should work. A switch to short-circuit the resistor would bring the speed back down to stock. Of course, you'd have to drill a hole in the motor casing an fit a grommet to it to lead out the field wire (though you'd only need one - it doesn't matter if the wire isn't directly connected to the brush, as long as it gets it's feed from the same place - after the park switch probably).
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Last Edit: Oct 8, 2012 1:02:18 GMT by jrevillug
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Cheers and what a fantastic answer! :-D thank you.
The power doesn't connect to that missing rivet in the bottom bush, it's actually a missing rivet, I didn't want to go drilling through the insulator, possible asbestos like you said so I've soldered it down. The power, two speed, and self park is all out the other side of the motor.
I think the problem was the brushes were gummed up with old grease and weren't sliding out on the spring and the contacts where the brushes touched the motor was covered in old black grease.
I'm going to bench test it before I refit it tho, it was an absolute dog to remove and is going to be even worse to refit :/
And yeah, I thought it looked in supprisingly good condition.
Thanks again man.
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Remember the days when sex was safe and motorsport was dangerous. Vintage bling always attracts pussy.
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