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Sept 26, 2012 20:58:12 GMT
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I've got a Mk1 golf with a 1z lump. Currently she's on some eBay special coilies, and she rides as hard as concrete.
I've got a budget of aroun £500-£600 to sort out the suspension. I'd like her 40-60mm lower than standard (she's at 60 at the mo) does anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks!
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Sept 26, 2012 21:17:24 GMT
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I've got coilies on the front of my caddy at moment and its pretty stiff. I set up i had on my mk2 Golf was best, Boge lowering springs with Koni Yellows (adjustable). You could run it soft as standard or super stiff with turn of a knob. I used to run pretty firm through summer when you take full advantage of dry roads, then soften it up for winter when roads wet and you drive slower. If i get another mk2 i would run same setup again. Sometimes running too stiff ruins handling as you have to take it easy on rough roads.
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Sept 26, 2012 21:21:58 GMT
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Thanks for that dude, I'm leaning towards a Koni Yellow kit, I'll have to have a poke around for pics of how much it lowers them by!
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Sept 26, 2012 21:46:49 GMT
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don't have to stop with Koni springs as long as there good quality you should be ok. On the Mk2 Koni made two kinds of rear shock, one you could adjust from inside the boot with knob, and other had to be removed from car then remove spring then fully compress to adjust. Double check that, i got wrong ones (but i got my technique down to 30 mins to adjust though!).
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Sept 26, 2012 21:55:08 GMT
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Hard and underdamped, or just hard? I'd be looking at changing to a softer spring before (possibly) unnecessarily blowing £600 on new bits.
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Last Edit: Sept 26, 2012 21:55:55 GMT by ben711200
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Sept 26, 2012 22:13:53 GMT
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It was never underdamped, hate underdamped cars, feel awful.
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Sept 27, 2012 9:09:36 GMT
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Are they full coilovers, i.e. Raceland, TA Technix et al, or those stupid 'coilover sleeves' that slide onto your stock shocks?
If the former, I found that 'retuning' the TA Technix on my Civic using Rally Design Springs [£14 each] gave a much improved ride. So much so that it rode much, much better than the Civic Shuttle on Koni shocks and springs that the guy I sold it to had.
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ChasR
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Sept 27, 2012 10:03:04 GMT
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What springs do you have on the car ATM? This could be the influencing factor. Saying that it is amazing a difference a set of good dampers can make to a car when compared to the old stuff on your car or even pattern stuff . I have used the Koni Yellows previously with good results. When a friend of mine with a MkII Golf GTi was in a similar position on Supersport coilovers (he got the ride close to how he wanted but it was too wallowy for him) he went for Gaz GHA Coilovers with him saying the difference seemed like night and day. The Gaz setup should be in budget too.
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Last Edit: Sept 27, 2012 10:04:02 GMT by ChasR
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Sept 27, 2012 10:28:07 GMT
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ta technix, raceland etc really are great for the money (and id say significantly better than the £600 FKs on our lupo, which are too soft are a tad underdamped too).
itll probably be a spring rate issue as said above. the cheapies only have one spring rate for all VWs that use the mk2/3 golf/6n polo/lupo/b3 and b4 passat front struts, which are taken from the A2 platform. for example- thats one spring rate for all engine and body permutations from a 1.0 lupo through to a 1.9TDi B4 passat! the spring part number, wire thickness, number of coils and coil diameter are all the same. I think they do now offer slightly stiffer ones for v6 models now though, but they never used to. but thats one spring for a range of cars with a nose weight that must differ by nigh on 200kg through the range, and I think the rate is about right for 1.8-2.0 8v and 1.9td golfs and passats, and is too hard for all the smaller stuff (and too soft for v6, etc.) so a 30-40 quid change of springs should see you right, rather than a lot of money on a different brand of coilovers that are probably no better, cos they wont be tuned to the car either.
that, and youve got to remember you car is something that never existed from the factory, so is harder to spec spring rates for.
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Last Edit: Sept 27, 2012 10:31:51 GMT by Dez
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Sept 27, 2012 10:38:19 GMT
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as said, definitely worth trying different springs first. Also worth checking that it's not resting on the coilovers' bumpstops, that would give a harsh ride.
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Sept 27, 2012 21:02:39 GMT
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I expect the car's riding on the bump stops, and maybe a tad stiff depending on your taste. My Scirocco was on TA Technix coilovers, it rode badly when they were fitted, a little crashy and harsh, so I removed the helper springs after realising the rears weren't actually properly compressed when the back was empty, so they'd be used as actual springs rather than just to take the slack, and then you'd regularly 'crash' into the full rate springs. After that it was better, but still a little harsh, another check over things relieved that the bump-stops supplied with the coilovers were really long, much longer than needed, and the car would sit on them even when not all that low, so they were cut down to ~20mm thick, after that I was left with a car that handled damn well and rode fine, firm, but not at all harsh or crashy, similar to the feel of the 'sports' suspension option on a lot of modern cars. As proof it was no rock hard uncontrolled set-up, here's a shot of me competing in a local grass surface auto-cross series, it was consistently the 2nd fastest 2wd car there on a field that was far from flat: So yeah, my advice would be to remove the helper springs from all four corners and trim the front bump stops down to ~20mm thick, I think I cut my rear ones down to ~50mm too. It's got to be worth a shot for £0, the bump-stops can always be put back on anyway if you cut them neatly. Admitedly a Scirocco's around 100kg heavier than a mk1 golf, but I'd expect the helper spring issue to be worse, I found you need to remove the front ones to run wideish wheels anyway. It may still be a bit firm though because of the weight difference, but until your suspension's actually working unimpaired by silly assembly issues, you'll never know the set-ups real potential. That said though, I expect a mk1 with a 1z probably weighs about the same up front as my Scirocco when it had the 1.8 petrol in it anyway, but your rears end will always be a little lighter.
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Last Edit: Sept 27, 2012 21:08:17 GMT by RobinJI
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Sept 30, 2012 17:31:19 GMT
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We have those TA Technix coilovers on a Mk2 Golf GTI, and whilst they are stiff, with the helper springs removed I actually find they make for a really good drive.
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Sept 30, 2012 18:10:18 GMT
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Yeah, I can imagine the mk2 ones are a bit stiff on a golf if like Dez says they're the same throughout the range, as they're not far off spot on on my B3 Passat which is a good 200kg heavier!
Like I said though, once played with I actually found the mk1 chassis ones pretty spot on in the Scirocco at just under 900kg.
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Last Edit: Sept 30, 2012 18:10:33 GMT by RobinJI
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