King Maz
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Dec 15, 2006 13:14:53 GMT
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Yellow plates and white plates are nasty things, they're the work of the devil!!!!! All cars should have black and silver. Seconded. I don't give a monkey's about ANPR. If it can't recognise black and silver (and presumably) foreign plates then it's no use anyway.
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Mr K
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Dec 15, 2006 13:18:55 GMT
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my local motor factors still sell packs of letters and an aluminium pressed plate (like the one on lewises car but with 2d lettering) so you can make your own plates.
Seth; i can pop in and find out if he has any of the backs left, he ran outta the sticky letters a while back but you could put your old letters on a new back?
anyone know where i can get stick on plates from?
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Dec 15, 2006 13:20:56 GMT
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erm... ANPR not reading yer plates is a good thing IMHO, If i could make it invisible to GATSO and CCTV as well i would!!
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Dec 15, 2006 13:36:05 GMT
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Scroll down the page, got some from this company, very very good but not cheap, about £40 pair from memory and that was a few years ago www.pl8s.co.uk/page3.htmlI used them when I wanted to replace the plates on our 1303, they were old plastic ones and looked cack but I didn't want the black silver as "everyone" in the VW world seems to use them, instead I got reflective yellow and whites from Framptons, quick delivery and they look great
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Stu
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Dec 15, 2006 13:45:12 GMT
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I need new plates for the Lupo, not retro type though, just standard modern ones, will have a look at the links already posted
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'89 BMW E30 325i Sport, '04 MINI Cooper S, '09 Volvo V70 D5
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Proper reflective plates...DarrenW
@darrenw
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Dec 15, 2006 13:54:03 GMT
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I'm pretty sure that ANPR CAN read them these days, that was a couple of years ago, the systems are a lot better now. Also, the vans/cars have people/officers in them, and they usually manage to work out your plate OK regardless of its reflectivity I really want a set like the Allegro back on the first page, do they have a proper name? The squarer typeface would really suit the Golf I think
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Dec 15, 2006 13:55:00 GMT
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ANPR not reading your plates is a bad thing IMO. Its becoming one of the key ways in which the law trace and locate stolen cars (cheaper than actual police work...). Also if they are doing blanket checks or you find a bored copper with one of those rigs on the 4x4s and your plate can't be read you are more likely to get a tug and have your time wasted with a producer. The only positive thing about not having your car recognised on ANPR is if you habitually drive about with no insurance or have outstanding warrants. ANPR is not currently connected to the VOSA computer to check if you have an MOT.
I used to drive a Vauxhall with black plates, where I worked was a secure compaund and they had ANPR to operate the gates so every morning I had to go through manual security to be let in. Yes, I do work here...
The plate not being read by gatsos is not a problem to them as they check the plates off manually from the photo anyway, theres no automatic checking.
The only one you can beat is SPECs. But you can beat SPECs with legible plates by changing lanes between cameras (obviously only works on 2 or more lane roads) as the system cannot currently deal with a car going through the start and end cameras in different lanes. I am told there is an upgrade being done but there needs to be an ammendment passed in parliament to the regulations or something in order for this to be legal. The way the current law is based you can only be done if you are in the same lane at start and end point of the reading.
Some cars look best with black plates, some look best with reflective ones. S'pose its personal taste like vinyl roofs or metallic paint. It should still be down to the owner's prefference what style of plate they have so long it was legal for the car at the time it was made.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Dec 15, 2006 14:12:19 GMT
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ANPR sucks donkey balls. FACT. If my car gets stolen, there is no way on earth I'll get a call from the police saying, "Yes Mr Dolby, we found your 15 year old Passat in good condition. Of course, the ANPR system allowed us to catch the teenage scrotes that took it. Here's 50 quid for your trouble." What you will get is a NIP for driving legally to the test station with no MOT
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Dec 15, 2006 14:35:43 GMT
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As it doesn't check MOT status thats not going to happen... Even if/when they check MOTs on it you have to have some work around for legal trips to the MOT station, same as traders have now for triggering a false positive on the no-insurance check.
Much as I'd rather have a thousand extra coppers out there to fight crime dilligently and fairly thats not going to happen.
In Notts they run occasional "blitzes" with the ANPR caperas on the main routes in. Last time they did that in one day they recovered something like 30 stolen cars and arrested something like 50 people with outstanding warrants. In ONE day. That sounds like a result to me.
IMO they should be doing this more regularly.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Dec 15, 2006 14:52:29 GMT
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Fair dos. I've still yet to be convinced of the benefit/privacy invasion argument with ANPR - I really have no wish to be tracked going about my business.
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Dec 15, 2006 15:10:55 GMT
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AFAIK they do not record where were unless you get flagged for an offense. They'd have to store a ton of data to do that. From what I know of govt. IT projects it won't have been spec'd with enough capacity to hold all the data its meant to let alone any extras...
The one you should worry about is the prevelance of CCTV, most of which has little or no regulation on it, some of which is digital and can easily be linked to facial recognition software (and again Nottm does this in some areas to enforce ASBOs and the like). AFAIK CCTV footage is not DPA regulated so it can be stored as long as the person who recorded it likes, and can be used for prettymuch any purpose they like. Anyone can record CCTV and they do not have to register the fact. You have no right of access to CCTV footage of yourself. The average londoner is caught on CCTV 300 times in one day... I was on a bus this week and there were 3 CCTV cameras on the lower deck alone... Then add the street cameras, shops, petrol stations, car parks, office buildings...
theres laws about how this footage can be used legally in terms of a prosecution but all that ever seems to do is let people off who the cameras caught mugging you or stealing your car...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Dec 15, 2006 15:18:13 GMT
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I'm worried about that too
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Dec 15, 2006 15:24:36 GMT
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If I thought it made me safer... ...but the law seems to be an ass on this... ...but I generally just find is bemusing...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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minicity
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Dec 15, 2006 15:27:11 GMT
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If you want to use the CCTV footage for anything then the system needs to be DPA registered.
If you just want to us it so you can see whats happening outside then it doesn't.
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Dec 15, 2006 15:59:23 GMT
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It only has to be DPA registered to be used in court I thought?
If I want to use it to see when my employees clock in and out it doesn't
I think.
The thing is if I want a copy of my bank records - I can get them. I fi want my credit score - I can get it. If I want my emploment reccord, I can get it.
If I want to see all CCTV footage Boots the Chemist has of me they cannot provide it even if they wanted to. Its not controlled and indexed like "data" is. This is one reason why I'm not as bothered about CCTV footage as Imight be. Its pretty much unusable.
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Last Edit: Dec 15, 2006 16:06:36 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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minicity
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Dec 15, 2006 19:34:10 GMT
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Basically if you want to ever use the recordings for a purpose, rather than just use the footage it has to be registered so basically unless you are just using the cameras to view say a production line so that the operator can see round a corner for jams (as we use a couple of cheap cameras at work) then it doesn't have to be registered.
Spent ages reading up on it... when I got handed the project on installing our CCTV at work!!!
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Dec 15, 2006 20:09:52 GMT
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Superb quality metal plates with proper retro plastic raised lettering available from Framptons Plates here: www.pl8s.co.uk/page3.htmlHad one off them for the back of the 2cv, tis excellent
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King Maz
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Dec 15, 2006 20:12:09 GMT
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Why should there be an arbitrary date on when black and silver should be used and when not? They either want all cars to have the same plates to have ANPR working effectively or APNR works for all plate types and there is no need for an arbitrary date.
They can't have it both ways
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Proper reflective plates...DarrenW
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Dec 15, 2006 20:21:54 GMT
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I'm undecided about ANPR. But I am working in a Magistrates Courts at the moment, and I process at least forty charges a day for people that have been caught with no Insurance, no Tax, no driving licence/driving on a provisional unsupervised that have mostly been caught via ANPR cameras in patrol cars
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