kcchan
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Jun 16, 2012 11:23:09 GMT
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You may have overlooked this but: SPACE.
I have tiny little shed with all my tools and parts and I can barely move in there.
Good storage will help maximise space and don't forget, if you don't have that much floor space, build upwards. Shelves, racks etc. Make use of it.
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Doc
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Drives Alfa 156 and GTV rocks a Mk2 x pack capri and 750 NINJA !
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Jun 16, 2012 20:38:30 GMT
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door at the back so you can join a shed to it
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Jun 16, 2012 20:56:50 GMT
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Personally I would not bother with a pit (dangerous with fume collection as mentioned) and also expensive to create safely and properly (don't know the implications but damp proofing etc I would imagine is tricky. I would get the floor as low as possible and go with the overhead lifting tackle.
I will say this though - I am jealous! I lost my garage as we needed a utility room and downstairs toilet. I now have about 4ft of my garage left so it is little more than a shed now.
How to use 6m x 6m workshop? Wish I had your problems! Can't wait to see this develop! Will you post pics as the build goes on? Pleeeaaasssee!!
Rich
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Jun 16, 2012 21:30:15 GMT
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HSE state that if you have it pit, you can only use air tools. HSE can go curse word themselves as its a private garage, he can use whatever he wants as long as he doesn't start employing people, upto and including a 1950's petrol blow lamp......
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Jun 16, 2012 23:23:02 GMT
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That is all.
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Remember the days when sex was safe and motorsport was dangerous. Vintage bling always attracts pussy.
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That is all. That's what I need! Where can I sign?
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Jun 17, 2012 11:31:05 GMT
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when i was building my garage and costed up digging a pit, i f found that i could get a hydraulic scissor lift for the same price if not cheaper. The beauty of the scissor lift is you can have all 4 wheel off the ground at once, depending ont he job you can lift the car to a comfortable working height, it also makes any suspension work a doddle . And should you ever move at some point in the future you can take it with you or sell it and get most of your money back on it. win! win! HTH
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Jun 17, 2012 12:00:47 GMT
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That is all. Where's the spray booth???
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Jun 18, 2012 23:21:08 GMT
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when I was building my garage and costed up digging a pit, I f found that I could get a hydraulic scissor lift for the same price if not cheaper. The beauty of the scissor lift is you can have all 4 wheel off the ground at once, depending ont he job you can lift the car to a comfortable working height, it also makes any suspension work a doddle . And should you ever move at some point in the future you can take it with you or sell it and get most of your money back on it. win! win! HTH Thanks - I've had a wee look at scissor lifts online and i'm tempted - I'll have to see how we get on in the design stage and see how low I can get the floor (I've got a Merc V220 so it's big and vanlike) Thanks for all the suggestions guys - I'll be adding a few of them into the mix when I'm knocking the plans together - then just have to see how we go with planning permission. I'll update as and when we have progress
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Ignosce mihi cacare necesse est
2012 Fiat Qubo Sadly currently living a retroless life
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Don't forget a pit doesn't need to be very deep, even a recess in the floor of a foot or two depth or so will allow you to lie under cars far happier for working on them without need to lift them up. Quite a few times I've used large kerbs in service stations as makeshift car ramps for roadside fixes and they do the job well.
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I would never have a pit in my garage as they just seem to be more hassle than they're worth. However, if given the chance I would love a hoist. You then need a lot of height though, which is probably not going to be possible if you're having a bedroom above connected to the house. If you can get the height, then a hoist is not particularly expensive. I agree with the others who say drive-through doors. My garage has double doors at the front and a single door at the back aligned with the right hand front door, as you can see in this old pic. I currently have a parts car stored out the back behind the garage. Getting cars/trailers and so forth in and out is very easy and convenient. It also gives you good access to get small machinery into the backyard if required as well. My neighbour across the road has a glass sliding door at the back of his garage, like you would have in a house. The clever part is that it's built into a frame that's pivoted at one end and held in place by a pin into the concrete slab. When you want access to the back yard for vehicles, you just pull the pin and the whole wall swings away to reveal an opening the size of a garage door. So, if I was building my dream workshop, what would I have? Size, as large as possible. You can never have too much space. Nice flat and level concrete floor, painted or sealed with a suitable product. Keeps the dust down and allows easy clean-up of oil spills, etc. Plenty of power points and lighting. Air compressor outside with it's own shelter, plumbed into the shed. Hard lines for compressed air running overhead and coming down to quick-fit connections in at least four points. This is cheap to do and definitely worth it in my opinion. Roller doors, at least two at the front and one at the back for drive-through access. 3 phase power and 15 amp single-phase, for running welders and machinery. Must have a separate breaker box to the house. Plenty of heavy-duty shelving, such as Dexion racking. Big solid workbench with a decent vice. Wish-list items: Car hoist. Haven't made up my mind yet on whether 2 or 4 post is better. Overhead trolley/gantry for chain block and tackle, if the shed structure is suitable. Sink for hand-washing and so forth. In terms of machinery for fitting it out, that depends on the types of work that you do. I have a drill press and a parts washer but rarely use either. The main items that get used in my shed are the sockets/spanners, jacks, axle stands and occasionally air tools. That's because I'm mainly doing servicing and mechanical tasks, piecing cars back together and keeping them running. If you were doing a lot of metal fabricating then you're going to want different tools to someone who mainly builds engines or paints cars.
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Jan 21, 2013 21:07:43 GMT
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It's been a while but I've finally got the finances in place and have been working with my Architect to get the extension/garage sorted - and it's going for planning permission soon. Unfortunately I just don't have the height to make a lift worthwhile so have gone for a Mechmate pit which will be dead easy to install during construction. I just couldn't get away with omitting the bedroom above and having double height boy space - The final size is approx 6m x 5m internally with a 4m wide roller door which will give me a decent sized one car garage and I'll be able to get the v220 and something smaller in at a push. I'll still have the shed for all the mountain bikes etc so will be car stuff only. Preliminary planI've spent way too many hours looking at Garagejournal.com for ideas and inspiration - so have some good ideas for once it's built - I reckon I'll have lots of fun sourcing all the bits and pieces and kids think I'm a saddo for getting all excited about epoxy flooring Thanks for all your suggestions and keep em coming. I'll make sure that I update when I find out re the planning permission although the architect reckons it'll sail through no problem.
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Ignosce mihi cacare necesse est
2012 Fiat Qubo Sadly currently living a retroless life
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fred
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Need plenty of plug sockets plenty of light ventilation and damn I'm jealous!!
Paint the walls ceiling white, keeps it light grit red floor paint stops you slipping
And I'm still jealous!!
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'79 Cossie ran Cortina - Sold
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'85 Opel Manta GSI - Sold
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fred
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Perfect garage would be an old fire station If only eh?
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'79 Cossie ran Cortina - Sold
2000 Fozzer 2.0 turbo snow beast
'85 Opel Manta GSI - Sold
03 A class Mercedes
Looking for a FD Ventora - Anyone?
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Jan 22, 2013 15:45:51 GMT
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Excellent news, you won't know yourself once this is built.
In mine I have the following;
Big work bench Big vice Small Vice Room in the corner for my big rollcab toolbox 20 ton press Pillar drill Parts washer Compressor Lots and lots of storage TV Stereo Lots of lights (including a security light out the front and down the side/s) Lots of power If you do have a pit, then get a pit insert, be aware of the water table in your area (to make sure the pit doesn't flood, and recess the floor around the pit so that you can put thick boards across the pit to shut it off when not in use A white board (great for general notes and brain storming) Network connection Well insulated Brightly painted CCTV cabling Lots of hooks up high to hang stuff on
6m x 5m sounds very big, but once you start putting stuff in there it will fill up really quickly, so making the most of wall capacity is key.
Look forward to seeing it all done, good luck.
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ToolsnTrack
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dream workshop?ToolsnTrack
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Jan 22, 2013 16:01:28 GMT
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Please PM me the build thread when this happens. We can do a tandem build! I'm starting mine in summer, planning a 20x26 detached garage at the end of my garden...
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v8ian
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Jan 22, 2013 16:33:24 GMT
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When I built my workshop, it was purely a workshop, 5x4m, double garage was next door, I had a shallow pit 600 deep 600 wide and 2 mtrs long with a heavy duty timber plank cover, I built it for no other reason than for storage, ideal for losing engines, gearboxes, wheels and much more. heating was underfloor electric heating on a frost stat, dosent need to be hot. enough just to keep condensation off. THE THING THAT I CANT SEE MENTIONED IS FIRE PROTECTION, I WOULD BE MAKING SURE I HAD AT LEAST 4 FULL SIZE EXTINGUISHERS, 2 AT EACH POINT OF INGRESS, 2 Co2, 2 POWDER, don't think its worthwhile, just google garage fires, its scary how many there have been,---- all to easy to say IT WONT HAPPEN TO ME!!!!
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Last Edit: Jan 22, 2013 16:40:07 GMT by v8ian
Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Jan 22, 2013 18:28:12 GMT
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thanks for all the suggestions The Mechmate pit looks pretty good - all sealed and easy to install especially as it's going in during construction. mech-mate.co.uk/How-to-Fit-a-Pit.htmlI haven't yet decided on the workbench design - the bench I had in my last garage was made from dexion with a metal work surface - but having drooled over some of the stuff on garagejournal I'll prob try to see if I can build something that looks fabulous as well as being functional. I've got one of these metal garden sheds which is to the rear of where the garage is getting built - it's full of kids toys just now but most of it can go - it's the ideal place for a compressor once I can afford one. I've got half a dozen extinguishers in the shed so they'll get relocated to the garage and I've got plans for a wee extractor fan which I'll use on the pit prior to use. it'll be heated from the house system and fully insulated (insulated door and double glazing as well), seperate fusebox (lots of sockets everywhere),hot & cold water, plenty of lighting (I'm an ex lighting design engineer so no probs there) We have no plans to move ever again as the house is all paid off so it's good to be able to build it how I want it - yeah, it'd be even better if it was 4x bigger but I don't think the neighbours would like me knocking their house down Keep the inspiration and ideas coming cos I want to get it right and I promise I'll do a build thread when the time comes.
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Last Edit: Jan 22, 2013 18:33:10 GMT by buzz1024
Ignosce mihi cacare necesse est
2012 Fiat Qubo Sadly currently living a retroless life
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Jan 22, 2013 18:29:06 GMT
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Please PM me the build thread when this happens. We can do a tandem build! I'm starting mine in summer, planning a 20x26 detached garage at the end of my garden... Will do - let me know when you post up plans etc
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Ignosce mihi cacare necesse est
2012 Fiat Qubo Sadly currently living a retroless life
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Jan 23, 2013 11:38:43 GMT
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Perfect garage would be an old fire station If only eh? Perfect home - there's enough room in that to live above.
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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