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Nov 11, 2006 15:22:31 GMT
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Tell me a whole lot more about this horses rear end name car. I am interested in knowing what the G54B 2.6 liter Turbo motor is all about. Is it tough, what power can a standard one push, how modifyable are they. Reliability ?? Transplant ..... Has anyone done this ? What sort of electronic jigery pokery do they have.... I have no Electronic ability to brag about. Cost of a donor car/ motor ?? I suspect they are rear wheel drivers.
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kerbsidemotors
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Nov 11, 2006 16:30:49 GMT
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Aledgedly the Colt car company (who import all Mitsubishis to the UK) suggested calling the new Mitsubishi sports car the 'Stallion' to appeal to young thrusting executive types but there was a mix up somewhere along the line to Japan! I dunno if its true but its a great story! The cars themselves are from the era when Mitsubishi made good cars. Engine literally bomb proof so most people go down the BIG turbo route. Usual seventies Japanese 4 stud bolt pattern so you have a good choice of new wheels. These cars are not really that packed with electrickery so not much really needs done there. All the big American tuning companies have dealt with tese cars so big ignition should be findable on ebay in the US Not sure about transplants. Its replacement, the 3000GT (Or GTO) is stuffed with electronics and has an expensive Hewland racing gearbox so that kind of rules them out except to those who like a challenge. There is the Petrol 3.5 as used in some Shoguns and petrol L200 pick ups but it isn't muchg more tunable/powerful than what you have and it doesn't have that floor shaking growl of the six. And, yes, they are very rear wheel drive. If you have never had a rear wheel drive sports car before, prepare to face the wrong way on roundabouts qite a lot. This is one of the cars that started the Japanese art of drifting!
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ritch
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Nov 11, 2006 16:47:21 GMT
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2.6 Turbos will be widebody with dished 5 stud alloys, 2.6 replaced the 2.0 (same as the Lancer EX) in 89/90 also know as dodge conquest or something in the USA - so loads mega tuning goodies available www.starion-turbo.co.uk/ speak to terry gilbert there (biltel) he knows loads about them
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Nov 11, 2006 17:01:10 GMT
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How do you mean transplant, do you mean put a different engine in there or do you mean put that engine in something else. If you mean put a different engine in then why not consider a lancer evo type engine. You could go quite a way with the standard engine though. If you mean starion into something else MrSigma is halfway through a starion turbo into Chrysler (Mitsubishi) Sigma swap.
2.6 is not supposed to be as powerful as the 2.0 it replaced but apparently a lot of this is down to the cat and a straight through makes a lot of difference.
I need a starion at somepoint to complete my collection of mid size 80`s japanese rear wheel drive coupes ;D
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Nov 11, 2006 17:46:55 GMT
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How do you mean transplant, do you mean put a different engine in there or do you mean put that engine in something else. If you mean put a different engine in then why not consider a lancer evo type engine. You could go quite a way with the standard engine though. If you mean starion into something else MrSigma is halfway through a starion turbo into Chrysler (Mitsubishi) Sigma swap. 2.6 is not supposed to be as powerful as the 2.0 it replaced but apparently a lot of this is down to the cat and a straight through makes a lot of difference. I need a starion at somepoint to complete my collection of mid size 80`s japanese rear wheel drive coupes ;D Thanks so far guys..... I am a nurse by trade.... erm ? Yes, really, amnd have been a drug dealer the last 15 years, but I am reasonably able, even with basic bodywork, mechanics, and not totally thick, so I suspect with a mentor or 20 I could do an engine swop. I am trying to buy a little pickup off the "Bay" which comes with a 1200-ish cc motor, Motor is apparantly poked, and guy wants 200 squids, so a bit steep as a base, however, here is one that someone else did before........ I understand that the 2.6 motor can be dropped into the hole up front..... so I guess this may be a challenge, but imagine a Hyundai Accent sized pickup with a Turbo up front, and RWD ;D I may be completely off the ,mark here..... but as a South African, where Pickups form part of our rites of passage, it appeals to me. What type of power does the "standard" 2.6l turbo kick out ?
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Last Edit: Nov 11, 2006 18:08:52 GMT by grizz
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Nov 11, 2006 17:50:49 GMT
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Starionaccording to this between 150 and 197 depending on set up. I would like to see someone put a GDi engine in something I think that would make a nice swap for a daily driver. Might have to do it myslef at some point. Probably about 10 years down the line ;D
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Nov 11, 2006 17:57:39 GMT
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right , the 2.6 astron turbo motor is a fuggin big lump, mostly used in the southern hemisphere cars as big long legged chugger, the 2.0 litre engine is a lot more tunable, a bit lighter and a good deal smaller. also, the mitsi turbo lumps have LOT of wiring and modules to hook so if you get one make sure you get all the loom. i did and i still have no idea where most of it goes because wiring diagrammes are bloody hard to come by. in fact I'm swapping my turbo motor with stuyizz for his n/a, just so i might possbly see my siggy on the road sometime.
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"quote hairnet"
I'm not paying nine pound for a pi$$!
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Nov 11, 2006 18:12:22 GMT
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[glow=red,2,300]TEACH ME MASTERS..... TEACH ME ... !!![/glow]
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Hirst
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Nov 11, 2006 18:29:14 GMT
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The Stallion/Starion name thing comes up every so often in different variations, as far as I'm aware it's meant to be a clever combination of "Star" and "Orion". Catchy eh.
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kerbsidemotors
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Nov 11, 2006 22:02:48 GMT
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Argh! Phoenix! Promoting the GDI engine? They are rubbish! They fill up with carbon like nothing on earth because the petrol doesn't wash over the inlet valve, the injectors need ultrasonically cleaned every 60,000 miles, the magnets seperate from the stepper motor on the throttle body (Cheap recon throttle bodys start from £600!) and they are top heavy. Thats why the last model Galant 2 litre and V6 out handle the 2.4GDI. I am sorry but the only thing I'd put a GDI engine in would be a skip! Anyway, Grizz. As far as engines go there are lighter, more powerful, cheaper, easier to find engines than the Big Mitsu lump. What about the big 3.3 from a Holden Commodore? Or a big old Ford V8?
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Good to know you're still thinking about it Grizz!
I know there's some connection between Hyundai and Mitsubishi, and it's nice to keep engine swaps in-house, but would the Nissan CA18ET or even CA18DET lump be a better swap? A number of CA18ET's have been swapped into old Datsuns, so the basic technology has already been dealt with and there'd be plenty of info around. Also, I'd have thought it easier to find a Silvia Turbo as a donor rather than a Starion, unless you know of one for definite?
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[glow=red,2,300]Good to know you're still thinking about it [/glow]Grizz! I know there's some connection between Hyundai and Mitsubishi, and it's nice to keep engine swaps in-house, but would the Nissan CA18ET or even CA18DET lump be a better swap? A number of CA18ET's have been swapped into old Datsuns, so the basic technology has already been dealt with and there'd be plenty of info around. Also, I'd have thought it easier to find a Silvia Turbo as a donor rather than a Starion, unless you know of one for definite? Look at the time.... !! 01.44am in the UK !!! I crashed out at around 9pm after a massive BBQ and just enough Brandy and Coke to make me seek Horizontal happiness ;D Yes, I am deffo still wanting to do it. Have asked seller to sell to me for less than what his BIN is as it will cost me a minimum of £130 retrieval to Rochester, unless I can find a lightweight trailer or Moby-jack to fetch it with myself behind my car. I am not too superstitious about what goes into it...... my need is 150BHP for openers, reliability, simplicity, the more common, the better as usually availability = affordability. The Nissan option was in my head all along, as I am a Nissan engine fan, for general reliability. I have a modern 200bhp car, so this is a search for more "pure" old style motoring. The pickup is quite unique, so makes for a bit of exclusivity.... LOL Look at this ....... Not quite as far as I would go with limited ability, funds etc..... but absolutely BULLSEYE !! retrorides.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=1161468317
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Last Edit: Nov 12, 2006 1:57:37 GMT by grizz
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I had one a B reg 2.0 turbo don't know how modded it was but it had a quickshift fitted. I bought it in the winter and it frightened me to death on a few occasions. I was down the main shopping street in Southport and some guy started revving up his RS turbo next to me. The lights changed I launched it hardish and as I changed to 2nd crossed a grid and the car just snapped to the right in a 180 thank god CCTV wasn't about then. Another time I was going down a 60 mph road there was a lot of oncoming traffic so I had to slow down to 25mph behind a tractor. When the road was clear I hit the gas in 2nd no boost so dropped to 1st and the car was shimmying left to right under the power. The final straw with it was on the ice I was crawling round a cul de sac where my mum lived in the front just went into massive understeer and I kerbed it. I tried to remedy it with handbrake and wheelspin but it didn't slow enough. I would assume the car was standard suspension wise and could have been better with uprated shocks or lower springs. Tyres were new and good brand. I watched one rallying at New Brighton Promenade stages and said to my mate I bet he stuffs that mine never handled . Two corners later he understeered into a large kerb and ended his rally. In the dry it was fantastic but when it rained it was pure evil.
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Yep , Darkslider..... I suspect many cars can surprise us.
I am however of the cautious type..... ;-))
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Nov 12, 2006 13:13:01 GMT
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Argh! Phoenix! Promoting the GDI engine? They are rubbish! They fill up with carbon like nothing on earth because the petrol doesn't wash over the inlet valve, the injectors need ultrasonically cleaned every 60,000 miles, the magnets seperate from the stepper motor on the throttle body (Cheap recon throttle bodys start from £600!) and they are top heavy. Thats why the last model Galant 2 litre and V6 out handle the 2.4GDI. I am sorry but the only thing I'd put a GDI engine in would be a skip! Didnt realise they were as bad as that. I knew about the throttle body problem (I`ve seen them for sale for 450-500) but other than that I didnt think they were notoriously bad . I have known of a few people with them in charismas and Pinin`s and too be honest none of them have had any cause to complain and none of them have suffered with the throttle body problem. They must be the lucky ones then. Why do they suffer with a carbon build up on the inlet? I would have thought as its just air going down the inlet the carbon build up wouldnt be as bad
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Nov 12, 2006 16:54:38 GMT
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Get the 2.0 - best car in the world, ever (have had a number!!!)
Just respect it,cause if you don't you WILL be punished
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