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So i guess we all have stories of cars we had when young / a while ago, generally bought for very little money and discarded when they broke / disolved etc that have gone on to become true classics! When i was in my late teens (i am 35 now) i had a Mk2 Escort 1.6 Ghia, bought for £300, tax and MOT which i drove until the gearbox went (after about 12 months) and promptly sold on for £100 (!!!) Obviously now worth thousands! After that i bought a Mk1 Sierra 1,6, again, drove it until it failed its MOT on something really silly, but i was 19 at the time, working, earning decent money and had no forsight at all! THe Sierra was duly sold for £125 and i bought a MG Metro. In fact i bought 2, one on the road and one that had failed its MOT on welding but was mint inside, for the pricely sum of £350. You guessed it, the one needing welding was stripped and GIVEN to the scrap man and the silver one was used until i sold it for £400. This goes on and on and includes a Rover 214 (Honda Accord shape), a Suzuki Alto, a Datsun Cherry, Sierra Saphire, MK1 Fiesta and others that i didnt even keep long enough to remember! I would gladly sell my kids to have that fleet back now and while laying in bed last night, got me thinking. Whats the next round of currently overlooked but due to be motoring classics? So i am thinking of cars that can currently bebought for less than a weekend away and will probably just be scrapped when they die/look at you the wrong way in the morning! So Corsa's, Mk5 Escorts, Mk 4/5 Fiesta are all springing to mind but what do you guys think? What should we be looking to hoard in our locks ups these days!?!?! Have some inspiration    |
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I've thought about this myself and maybe it's my personal taste but don't reckon many of the modern cars will be regarded the same in the future as we do now about MKI / MKI Escorts, Mini's, etc. They are from an era where you expected them to rust away and hence the low survival rate. Modern cars die because of mechancial problems instead of rust so people won't have to "restore" them - just drive into the ground !
In the future,as people are already finding, decent trim will be the thing that need the most restoration.
Paul h
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Yeah i think you have a point and i suppose this was the reason behind the question. BUT there must be cars that will enter the retro and then possibly classic stages at some point??
It is with interest that i like to see some of the "newer" cars being represented on here these days, Mk1 Corsa's and without doubt the MX-5's, as surely these are cars that have their own issues and are usually easier and cheaper to replace than spend the time / money keeping on the road?? Yet we are seeing more and more being given the love that usually gets reserved for rarer vehicles?
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I'll humbly suggest Hyundai i10: They're everywhere today, but almost all will get scrapped without thinking twice about it, or go for export to places where cheap reliable old cars are worth something, and before you know it the only ones left will be mint low milers kept garaged their whole life and only used on Sundays to go to the shops.
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1st gen Toyota Yaris. They are already starting to disappear
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stealthstylz
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Everything in that year group (early to mid 90s) will become classics. Most are still owned by non enthusiasts so will start to get binned more and more
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stealthstylz
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Mar 27, 2012 10:00:28 GMT
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To add to that, you've only got to look at what has happened to Mk3/4 Escorts, Orions, Nova's, Mk2 Fiesta's, Mk2 astra's, e30 bmw's etc etc. Trying not to sound like a poncey knob jockey, but up till a few years ago they were still fairly common place on the council estates around here. They were bought because they were cheap not because somebody wanted that particular make/model of car. However things have moved on and cars from the mid 90s-early 00's are now most common and enthusiasts have started buying the earlier stuff.
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Mar 27, 2012 10:23:27 GMT
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Not all 'retro' cars are retrospectively regarded to be 'classics'. So is no reason to suspect that this will change in the future.
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'71 Arrocuda.... '71 Sunbeam Rapier Turbo (The Grim Rapier).... '63 Hymek D7076..... Audi GT5S
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Mar 27, 2012 10:32:26 GMT
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My granddad turned down a DB4 at £4500, and bought a sierra estate instead for virtually the same price - it's surprising when you think about you could be missing out on a deal like that!
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edwell
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Mar 27, 2012 11:25:12 GMT
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My tip is buy the best Saxo VTS you can find.
Keep in garage for 20 years
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PROFIT!
It will be stuff people lusted after when young. Also classic shape Impreza is due a price rise soon I reckon.
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2012 11:26:09 GMT by edwell
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Mar 27, 2012 14:06:21 GMT
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classic shape Impreza is due a price rise soon I reckon. Yeah, definitely. I've seen a couple on Gumtree that are advertised as turbos or WRX models (not sure of the correct name for the high-end model) but the ad says they're recorded as being 1.6 models. I wonder if the Impreza a candidate for some shell swapping carry on like with early Escorts? I know they're not particularly well regarded now but I think Kas and Pumas will be desirable in a few years. Modern enough that it will take years of legislation to force them off the road but still a decennt drive and easy to maintain. They kicked off a design renaissance at Ford and probably represented a bit of a gamble at the time. The fact that they're utterly conventional, humble even, under the skin jjust adds to the reasons they're likely to be desirable. The challenge would be finding a decent one now to tuck away. I fancied a Puma as a winter car a couple of years ago and was surprised to find so many so far gone. |
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2012 14:09:37 GMT by Battles
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MrSpeedy
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Mar 27, 2012 14:30:19 GMT
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You'll be hard pushed to find a decent KA in a few years time. Thoses things came with factory fitted rust behind the huge rear plastics and inner sills  TBH, I find it difficult to imagine anything past 1997 as becoming a classic as cars weren't 'designed' imho, they were just built. That said, people probably said the same 20 years ago! |
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Mar 27, 2012 14:38:29 GMT
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You'll be hard pushed to find a decent KA in a few years time. Yup - KAs rot out like old British tin (although perhaps not quite as quickly as some Italian tin...  ) There was one at A52 that was 9 years old (or was it 11? I forget) and had completely rotten sills, a boot floor retained only by rust, holes in the floor pan all round the sills, and the inevitable filler neck rust. We didn't look behind the plastics. |
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mikeymk
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Mar 27, 2012 14:45:24 GMT
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I think there's a real problem. The 90's was a terrible decade for the common motor car and it's the one era of cars i've never quite been able to grasp.
Lots of experimental technology was pushed through, with catalyst-demanding EFi systems getting terminally unreliable as they age.
Bodyshells got more metal layers, and were made of poor metal, over recycled polymers were also pushed through.
So we have cars which disolve fast (the Fiesta shape in the first picture was typically turning to cornflakes before it's first MoT). We have plastics so poor they needed to offer body colour bumpers 'generously' to get around the problem, and coatings for increasingly brittle interior plastics only lasting as long as most people care - in some cases not, my brother's had brand new Vauxhalls peeling and falling apart recently.
Which brings me to the '00s too. The '90s was the benchmark for cars that were designed to last as long as the warranty, but then be difficult to keep out of the recycling pool the manufacturers depend on. The system in place today doesn't account for classic maturity. From the laws to the process, it's an ever strengthening system.
The last true decade of the fully servicable machines we actually owned was the '80s imo. But even then, in europe metal quality had a real downturn halfway through. This seemed to last until they could afford to galvanise bodies, knowing the plastics wouldn't last!
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Mar 27, 2012 14:54:48 GMT
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Peugeot 306's seem to be vanishing at an alarming rate, especially the old D-turbos. I always wanted an early white D-turbo  |
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1993 Mercedes-Benz 190e LE in Azzuro Blue.
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Mar 27, 2012 14:56:38 GMT
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If you look at things like Mk3 Fiesta's, not many are seeing them as anything more than disposable runabouts yet, but already a mint, unmolested three door shell is already worth a bit to the right people. I think we'll see more and more cases like that over the next few years.
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Mar 27, 2012 15:24:27 GMT
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yup corsa b's are a definate parts can be had cheap, curse word loads of them at scrapyards for spares, cheap tuning mods, keep it clean simple and a slam on some nice wheels you got yourself a future classic saying that my B is reaching the grand old age of 19 this year so definatly getting there , as I say times going fast gone are those days of chav appeal to motors of this era, they are either hacks, or something special for people like'us' to do cool things to  |
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2012 15:25:07 GMT by slammage
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doobie
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Mar 27, 2012 15:40:31 GMT
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 Less than 40 left according to DVLA and thats both the B3 and the facelift B4 and they are still being scrapped. VR6 engine, 140mph top end, electric everything, leather, cruise, gotta be a classic of the future IMHO. Well i hope so anyway as this is my B3 ;D |
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Mar 27, 2012 15:52:17 GMT
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If you ask me - a 'classic' is not defined by a certain age a car has reached. It is more defined by an era, the era that car was designed & build in... Like with music. Classical music will never come again, modern music will never be classical. And that's not bad. It is part of the identity of a generation of that era.
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Mar 27, 2012 16:08:24 GMT
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^^ I totally agree with this!
I guess, looking back, the Mini has become a classic because of what it represented, both technically and fashionably. Same can be said for the E Type Jag. Things like Escorts and Audi Quattro's have gained cult status due to their motorsport heritage so i guess the trick is, to look at cars that have represented something either in a larger social scale or technology wise? Will an early Prius be something that we should be looking to hoard, simply because of its technology? Or as mentioned above, Subaru or Evo's due to their rally background?
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