Mike
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Right here it goes, Since i got my car a year ago the clutch has always slipped a bit however due to student funds havent had chance to replace it. lately tho its become a bit of a nightmare and now i struggle to park the car on the drive soooooo i had a look at some clutch prices and decided that it was best i put a bigger engine in ;D getting a rover v8 engine seems fairly easy however a gearbox to fit seems like a bit of a ballache but we will come to that later.... as a young lad my insurance isnt the cheapest so I'm going to contact flux tomorow and see what sort of cash I'm looking at for declaring the engine conversion. if i don't declare the engine conversion with the insurance company tho. how bigger slap on the wrist do i get? i mean can they take your car off you or do i just have to produce the car for inspection?
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First thing you might not want to do is go on a public forum saying that you are thinking of not telling the insurance about putting a V8 into your car.
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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stealthstylz
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If you get pulled and the police report you to insurers iirc they'll just cancel your policy (and charge you for it), and the next time you take out insurance you'll have to say Yes when they ask if you've ever had insurance declined or cancelled, which makes the price go up a fair bit.
If it's discovered that you've not declared mods after you've had an accident the insurers will pay out for the 3rd party then claim the money back off you. Only takes a small injury claim to the third party or heavy damage/write off of something valuable and you're suddenly needing to find a few grand.
Matt
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Just won't pay out if they find out, which could be expensive if it was your fault as they will throw the small print at you and tell you that you are not insured. They will also note it on the insurance database which might make things hard and expensive when you want to get insurance in the future.
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'71 Arrocuda.... '71 Sunbeam Rapier Turbo (The Grim Rapier).... '63 Hymek D7076..... Audi GT5S
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Try graham sykes, very cheap for me and I'm 23 with a modded car
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How big a slap?
I'd gladly give you one for what you're suggesting.
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Right here it goes, Since I got my car a year ago the clutch has always slipped a bit however due to student funds havent had chance to replace it. lately tho its become a bit of a nightmare and now I struggle to park the car on the drive soooooo I had a look at some clutch prices and decided that it was best I put a bigger engine in ;D getting a rover v8 engine seems fairly easy however a gearbox to fit seems like a bit of a ballache but we will come to that later.... as a young lad my insurance isnt the cheapest so I'm going to contact flux tomorow and see what sort of cash I'm looking at for declaring the engine conversion. if I don't declare the engine conversion with the insurance company tho. how bigger slap on the wrist do I get? I mean can they take your car off you or do I just have to produce the car for inspection? best to declare it, or your insurance will be invalid, and if you have to make a claim they wont pay out. politzi are unlikely to notice, unless your car shouts 'pull me' or you drive like a dick. Ignore any advice from someone who cant even tell the truth on a for sale thread. is your car classed (for insurance purposes) as a classic? if so modifications should not affect your insurance too much. when enquiring with insurance companies, take note that they share information on quotes and policy holders and always record phone calls, so you can't deny something which you said on the phone if they refuse to pay a claim in the future.
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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RobinJI
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What Matt said, if the Police notice, then you're insurance will be cancelled, leaving a big black mark on your record that will effect your future premiums (and they ask "have you ever had insurance declined or cancelled", not "in the last x number of years..."). If you crash, there's a decent chance of finding your self in a large amount of personal debt, to put that in perspective, a friends brother is coming out the end of a long recovery from being a passenger in a 30mph crash, honest mistake by the driver resulted in brain damage, he's recovering well now, and pretty much his old self again, but half a decade of health care has caused a bill seriously close to ÂŁ2000000, good job the drivers insurance checked out, it's very easy to rack up a debt you'll never pay off in this lifetime. Not worth the risk if you ask me.
It's also worth considering that at the end of the day, to obtain insurance through the use of false details is technically fraud, which is a criminal offence. It's unlikely to come to this unless you actually successfully get money out of the insurance company, only for them to then find out you lied about something, but if they do find out you've lied, then you never know how far they'll take it, but it's not going to be fun.
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2012 0:45:27 GMT by RobinJI
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stealthstylz
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politzi are unlikely to notice He's in a similar area to me and I know of 4 people in modded cars who have had their policy Ă‚ÂŁ hiked massively or insurance cancelled due to the police pulling them and contacting the insurance company about mods. One girl was asked to pay an extra Ă‚ÂŁ180 premium because she had some (edited to add fast car esque J/euro )stickers (all over her rear windscreen) on her otherwise standard car.
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politzi are unlikely to notice He's in a similar area to me and I know of 4 people in modded cars who have had their policy Ă‚ÂŁ hiked massively or insurance cancelled due to the police pulling them and contacting the insurance company about mods. One girl was asked to pay an extra Ă‚ÂŁ180 premium because she had some stickers on her otherwise standard car. i wonder why the police have such a bad press?
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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stealthstylz
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Police Trouble-Changing Engine stealthstylz
@stealthstylz
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Doesn't bother me it falls into the same boat as driving with no MOT or driving license, wish they'd pull more of em.
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I put a 3.0 V6 engine in my peugeot 205 when I was 19, I didn't declare the engine conversion to the insurance company.
ON THE VERY FIRST DAY I DROVE IT, the same day I insured, MOT'd and taxed it, I was stopped at the side of the road with a the bonnet up topping up the coolant and a police EVO pulled up behind me, he said my car was showing as uninsured. I could prove to him that I had MOT'd and taxed it that day so instead of seizing my car he gave me a producer for the insurance after asking if my engine was declared.
I did the producer as normal knowing they would find out it wasn't insured properly and a few weeks later I had a knock on the door from the same guy who stopped behind me.
Long and short of it is he said his options were to either give me 6 points on my licence (which I would then lose as I had been driving for less than 2 years) and a fine, or he could give me an official police warning. He decided to give me an official police written warning after several interviews, I thought I had got off lightly without any points or a fine, little did I know that a written warning means I now have a criminal record which stays on file for several years.
Lesson learnt I then insured the car correctly with ALL mods declared, it cost me ÂŁ2500 for a years cover. Ironically in the year that it was insured properly I only covered about 60 miles in the car.
LESSON LEARNT - DON'T EVER TEMPT KARMA
ETA: The offence on my written warning was 'making a false statement to obtain insurance - FRAUD'
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2012 0:51:47 GMT by goliath
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ThePollitt
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Fix up, look... at that car on eBay!
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If you get pulled and the police report you to insurers iirc they'll just cancel your policy (and charge you for it), and the next time you take out insurance you'll have to say Yes when they ask if you've ever had insurance declined or cancelled, which makes the price go up a fair bit. If it's discovered that you've not declared mods after you've had an accident the insurers will pay out for the 3rd party then claim the money back off you. Only takes a small injury claim to the third party or heavy damage/write off of something valuable and you're suddenly needing to find a few grand. Matt This /\ I hit a car in standing traffic (as MM and Skinnylew know all to well*). It was an innocent bump, but it did some damage. After a few months of waiting it turned out the claim came to ÂŁ27,000, as I hit an Audi, the driver of which was married to a personal injury lawyer. I walked away from it. It was a company car so my employer took the hit. Plus, as it was a 'pool' car I don't have to declare it when insure my own car. Imagine if that was you, though. Imagine if you hit someone and you had to pay out their claim because you didn't declare your mod. Declare it. Take the premium hit. If, God forbid you have a crash and hit someone, at least you'll be covered. Chris *It was only a small bump.
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I'd just replace the clutch.
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1989 Peugeot 205. You know, the one that was parked in a ditch on the campsite at RRG'17... the glass is always full. but the ratio of air to water may vary.
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I'd just replace the clutch. the voice of sanity Doesn't bother me it falls into the same boat as driving with no MOT or driving license, wish they'd pull more of em. stickers on a car in the same boat as driving with no license? anpr was meant to prevent uninsured drivers, or at least I D them to the police so they can be pulled. but now we find (highlighted in the press) that many roadside anpr cameras are not being used in realtime, just for later reviewing when a crime has been committed. and less traffic cops riding around equals less pished/disqualified/uninsured drivers getting pulled. OP: declare your modifications or fluffy kittens will get runover by nuns with stickers on their cars while small children will weep.
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2012 0:57:22 GMT by Autofive
Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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RobinJI
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"Driven by the irony that only being shackled to the road could ever I be free"
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I'd just replace the clutch. That made me giggle, I'm not sure if it was meant as a joke, but the timing/delivery in my head was perfect after all our long winded replies. Yep, I'd probably just replace the clutch too, although declaring it may not be all that bad, my Passat was actually cheaper this year on a modified policy than I could get it insured as a standard car!
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I don't understand why this is even being asked. In before...
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ChasR
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Police Trouble-Changing Engine ChasR
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Meh, leave it as a lesson learned. On many a forum I have been on previously they almost advocate doing engine swaps without thinking twice about the consequences (read 106s with almost twice the power thanks a GTi engine swap;They sell for more with the engine swap undeclared and as far as I can tell are still running on stock 1.4 brakes and suspension...). Anyway, my question to the original poster is how much is too much for a clutch and what car is it? Swapping the engine will not necessarily give you a better clutch (it could be stupidly heavy due to tired fingers on the cover, tired springs in the plate etc.). One more thing. Unless you do a straight engine swap (and even then it is not always the case) changing to another engine and gearbox is not necessarily a cheap exercise in the vast majority of cases, something I would bear in mind with your student funds .
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2012 7:29:54 GMT by ChasR
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Copey
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That has to be the most stupid question in the history of car forums, declare it, if you can't afford it don't do it!!
Try classic line for ins too, I am 22 with a 280bhp Nissan turbo powered Capri insured for 530 a year
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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