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probably the last to know as usual but Id never heard of it until recently..... id taken some pics in paris with the wifes IXUS point and shoot happy snapper digital camera with the intention of selling them on,always the opportunist me. got the pics i wanted,removed the colour and upped the contrast a bit to make them stand out a little more and was very happy with the result. found me a printer who would do me a deal if i bought in bulk etc and mounted a few at work and stuck some on the web etc etc. long story short, an engineer came into the workshop where I'm based and said,"are those HDR" ? apparently he used to be a photographer and started explaining it to me. after a quick google i saw what he meant and was amazed at what it was all about. being a sucker for stuff i got me "an app" for the phone and was very impressed but it crashed after each pic so let it go. so then,who can explain to me how i can get into the HDR thing with minimal outlay? I'm guessing the little point and shoot needs to be replaced with a propper camera. whats the best HDR computer program for the least amount and where can i get me it?? anyone from here take HDR pics??? any advice is welcomed oh and the pics that started all this.....
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g40jon
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never tried it myself, but the basic rule is that you take 3 pics of the same thing. take one under exposed, one normal exposed and 1 over exposed. You then use some hdr software to merge the 3 images together. other than that i can't help much
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Dec 30, 2011 10:20:42 GMT
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mr
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Dec 30, 2011 11:20:48 GMT
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so ill be needing a tripod then
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Dec 30, 2011 12:27:44 GMT
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ohhh yes
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MiataMark
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Dec 30, 2011 12:49:02 GMT
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ohhh yes Not necessarily, if you use a DSLR you should be able to use Exposure Bracketing (AEB on Canon's) which will take 3 shots in succession, 1 at normal exposure and 2 a set amount under and over exposed. Then use your favourite photo editing program to mix. (I was shown this by a high end wedding photographer who uses this technique instead of shooting RAW). The speed of the shots is dependant on the frame rate of the camera (fps), a tripod is better but not always necessary. My 50D is 9fps so unless you've got an extremely shaky hand it's fine. If you need a slow shutter speed then you should be using a tripod anyway. Mark p.s. If not done well HDR can look awfull.
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mr
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Dec 30, 2011 12:59:31 GMT
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righty then,so my eos 35mm will be hitting ebay then..... how much are we looking at for a reasonable dslr then and are they all likely to have th erequired settings listed above? I'm not being awkward, i just don't have time to read which camera magazine,tiz always easier to ask people who already do something
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MiataMark
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Dec 30, 2011 13:12:44 GMT
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Dec 30, 2011 13:43:51 GMT
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righty then,so my eos 35mm will be hitting ebay then..... If you've already got a Canon than I'd suggest sticking with Canon, any lens you have for the film camera will work on the DSLR (probably not worth selling). You could look for a secondhand 400/450D as an entry level which can always be a spare body in the future. I never sell old cameras so have, AE1, A1, EOS 500N, EOS 400D, EOS 20D, and EOS 50D.... Mark
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mr
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Dec 30, 2011 14:13:14 GMT
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nice one, got a nice general purpose a/f lens on it,i didnt know if they were interchangeable. will have a loky on ebay and see what money the digital ones are going for then
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MiataMark
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Dec 30, 2011 14:16:28 GMT
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nice one, got a nice general purpose a/f lens on it,i didnt know if they were interchangeable. will have a loky on ebay and see what money the digital ones are going for then What have you got? if it's an EOS you should be OK. Mark
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Dec 30, 2011 14:33:25 GMT
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I've got Rovers.
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Dec 31, 2011 14:39:19 GMT
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Not sure if its the same thing but my iphone 4 has HDR mode is this the same as what peeps are talking about in this post?
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mr
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Thinks its an eos 3000 35mm with a 35-80 af lens,its hanging up in the basment. The camera I til the pics above with was a Canon ixus at the highest settings.the pics are massive and clear but in anything other than good daylight its a very poor performer.I got the pics I wanted bit only because the daylight was good. I do like the eos so will see if I can find me a used cheap body and sell my film camera body onwards. There's an hdr app on the Android market too but although its fun to use (once then it'll crash your HTC) its not gonna give results like those posted above. I think its a case of getting what you pay for here.when i can afford it ill be going back to Paris to get the other famous buildings into my collection but will be hopefully packing the kit to get some real hdr shots.
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you can use your film camera for this still, it will be cheaper and more than likely give you better results due to being film.
for what its worth though, hdr is rather gimmicky and 90% of the time looks dreadful. you could sell it to people who are not into photography as it stands out and looks impressive but does tire quickly.
i wouldnt invest in it personally. just use the gear you have already.
all you need is a tripod or something to sit your camera on, like a wall
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MiataMark
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for what its worth though, hdr is rather gimmicky and 90% of the time looks dreadful. you could sell it to people who are not into photography as it stands out and looks impressive but does tire quickly. I tend to agree, but HDR techniques do have there uses, the below is a mix of two different exposures. Tarr Steps by Country Photo (UK), on Flickr Which was good enough to win a competition at the camera club I belong to. Like many things using digital makes things some much quicker and easier.
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yes, youre certainly right. that there would be perfect example of hdr being used nicely. the 10% where its been done well
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I was going to post a comment up this morning but it's slow to do so on my phone and Awoo & Garra have since pretty much summed up what I was going to say. Personally HDR is one of my absolute pet hates. I like the principle behind it (bringing depth and clarity to a challenging picture) and also the occasional use of it where it is done very sympathetically, but 99% of the time it's very much overcooked and results in images that are almost the opposite of what its original use was intended for. I've chosen landscapes purely because it makes a change from cars for once. Whenever anyone ever mentions those letters HDR, this is the kind of image that I picture in my mind (right at the point when my skin starts crawling) It's one of the biggest crimes to photography if you ask me. Take a photo and make it look like someones applied one of those awful 'artistic filters' that all photo editing packages seem to have. "Oil painting", "watercolour", "pastel", "brushed" - you know the ones that with one click of the mouse you have a picture that no longer resembles the photo Auntie Mary took and she'll be so proud that she made it look so artistic. So much so she prints it off a million times and sends it out to everyone she knows in the hope that everyone will be in awe. I've always been led to believe that the trick is not to mess with HDR. If you use it, let the software work the tones for you and once it's done its original 'tone map', DON'T mess with it. It's once people start playing with all the sliders and making 'oooh' noises at the screnn that things go badly wrong. This is what happens to 99% of HDR users unfortunately. Here are some shots where HDR has been used but is less fake/flat/cheap photoediting effect. I still don't like them that much, but they are a vast improvement on the 'typical' shots above. ^ If the stones in the foreground were darkened/toned down a teeny bit this shot would have worked better, but it would have been HDR that made them too light to start with ^ Nice image, but it feels a little flat. Not as bad as the top two pictures, but still flatter than it could be. These following few shots are where HDR has been used properly and sympathetically. Basically, if you can easily tell HDR has been used then it's been used badly. If the shot looks natural then it's been used properly. It's usually the depth/contrast thing that gives it away The upper and lower shots in this montage are very well done - difficult to tell HDR has been used. Even the middle shots are good (certainly better than all the above shots) If you can't tell the difference between this shot and the two 'heavy HDR' shots at the top then there is something wrong. Personally, the more natural you can make your photos, the more likely you are to succeed in selling them. I would concentrate on taking cracking good shots rather than relying on software to make your photos more sellable.
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Which was good enough to win a competition at the camera club I belong to. Actually I lied, that one didn't win (the judge thought it had a colour cast), but this one did, no HDR but a tripod was used. small waterfall by Country Photo (UK), on Flickr
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Dude, ^THAT^ shot is beautiful. And proof enough that great shots are great shots without the need to rely on HDR. I have used a self developed DIY form of HDR a few times where there has been a mega high contrast shot. Maybe three times ever. Here is a shot where the sky had some nice dramatic cloud formations but in order to get them exposed correctly, the rocks were underexposed and black. Exposing to the rocks and the sky just bleached out. By taking three shots at different speeds (all handheld) I was able to capture the rocks, the sea and the sky at 'correct' exposures. I then simply threw all three shots into photoshop and started deleting various bits of the shots manually until I had the look I was after....the view I could see with my eye but the cameras range couldn't cope with. It's not HDR, but it is composed of three different exposures. My preference, however, is to try and capture shots that don't really need any editing. The more natural the better. I think this shot would look so flat and unflattering if done with HDR. Straight off the camera and (personally) a nicer, more natural look than HDR afflicted shots. MR, basically, focus on getting shots that will sell without all the tricks and over editing and you will feel so much more rewarded as a result. A bit of contrast tweak and maybe some saturation adjustment if you want a slightly more washed out/atmospheric look but generally, the more you can get it right from the camera, the better you will feel and most likely the more shots you will sell.
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