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Dec 22, 2011 18:39:40 GMT
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Offered a car that started life as a 90bhp se tdi and seller has had it rebuilt with 150pb engine except has 90 head on it?  He has also had it remapped to 164. He texted me it has a 150pd engine an down pipe all intercooler pipes 150 turbo inlet manifold 150air box airflow meter the only thing standard is the 90 head. I need help as I don't want to buy a lemon |
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Dec 22, 2011 19:04:31 GMT
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I would avoid that one unless it was scrap money..............
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RobinJI
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Dec 22, 2011 19:33:39 GMT
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Pretty sure the injectors on a PD lump are built into the head, and I know they're cam-shaft driven, so if it's got a 90 head on it, then it's not a PD at all. I don't know if he could have fitted all the externals off a PD150 onto the 90bhp lump, but I know he'd have had to keep the 90 fuel pump and other bits of the fuel system, if it's possible at all.
I think you need to look at it to know, or preferably get someone who knows the engines well to look at it with you. It'd be good to have a look at a stock 90 and a stock 150 to get some idea of what might be what too, because there's no way it can have just the head left.
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Dec 22, 2011 20:48:36 GMT
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Sounds a bit pointless to me,not that big on my tdi's to be fair but surely ud just put the whole pd150 in?! ,think I'd avoid it |
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Well you will mess with these cars....
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RobinJI
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Dec 22, 2011 21:13:37 GMT
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Sounds a bit pointless to me,not that big on my tdi's to be fair but surely ud just put the whole pd150 in?! ,think I'd avoid it The only reason I can think of, is that keeping the head and original rotary pump/fuel system would mean no messing around with wiring, just bolting on mechanical bits. But then it wouldn't be what they described as 'only the head standard' it would be the head, fuel pump and fuel system, and I don't even know if the pump would fit the PD block, although most VW bits are ridiculously interchangeable. |
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I don't even think that is possible, yes the injection system is completely different. I run a 90 and know of no interchangeable parts between it and a 130/150.
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Dec 24, 2011 21:56:35 GMT
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Sounds hellish, i would avoid at all costs. If you want a 150bhp golf buy a proper one not some lads parts bin special, thats my advice!
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RobinJI
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Dec 24, 2011 22:26:29 GMT
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To be fair, if it's just a 90 with the manifolds turbo and pipework off a 150 then it might not be bad at all. I know the 130 manifolds will fit, so don't see why the 150s wouldn't. I think you need to get a much better description off him though, and if he can't give a better one, then avoid it.
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mk2cossie
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the manifolds are interchangeable, as my mate is building up a 1.9tdi and is using the inlet off a pd150 lump ;D does sound a bit odd with the discription you have given though although didnt vw do a mk4 gt tdi with a non pd diesel with 130bhp? |
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murran
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Dec 25, 2011 11:04:25 GMT
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all the inlet, turbo and associated pipe work on a 150 is quite different to a 90/110/130.
the 90bhp stuff is very limited so youd need to swap it all anyway.
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Dec 25, 2011 11:10:00 GMT
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afaik the only bit that's not interchangable on the vw 1.9 tdi engines is the head, as has been said the Pd system is integrated into the head, i cant see any problem with that setup if t's all been done propely it sounds like it has all the externals off the 150, variable vane turbo ect, however i'd be vary wary of buying a homebrew special unless it was a well known setup, i.e. like making a 2.7 from a 525e ect ect, could be entering a world of pain, also as has been said why did he not just use the 150pd engine to start with, unless he like me and loathes common rail engines!
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Dec 25, 2011 11:41:50 GMT
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I can't understand why they have gone to such trouble,
The 90brake is probably a AHH witch has an 11mm pump, so with bigger nozzles and a bigger turbo bingo 200BHP...........
Inlets cat ect are not that restrictive and the factory Air filter is good for 500horses.............
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Dec 25, 2011 11:56:03 GMT
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Ed, PD engines aren't common-rail  usedabused, the inlets on the 90's are pretty restrictive, they make a 90deg turn into the head, the 130s and 150s don't do this, so are a good upgrade. The rest of sounds like a very sensible route to 150bhp while keeping everything neat and factory looking. It probably won't be quite as good on fuel as a PD, but it'd make a nice car all the same. But the main point is, you need more info, even if it doesn't mean anything to you, if he's done work that he doesn't understand to the car, then it may be best to stay clear. |
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Dec 26, 2011 10:36:46 GMT
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yeah i know, i was just lumping all electrically operated/ecu conmtrolled denzil systems together, in my simple head denzils are divided into things with injector pumps and things without, groos oversimplifications, but it boils down to me understanding injector pumps and having fear when it comes to common rail or anything with a unit injector, i helped a mate change an deisel injector once on a 7.3 litre Ford V8 you could club seals to death with that thing...
Robins right though info is what you need is info, get some and report back, seems plenty of knowledgable bods on here! btw what injectors and pump do i need to get 200bhp out of my 90? sounds a tad high to me but a decent dollop of power wouldnt go amiss?
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Dec 26, 2011 11:21:24 GMT
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if you want 150+ start with the 130, not the 150, 150's like going BANG apparently  |
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murran
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Dec 26, 2011 13:00:13 GMT
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i think the cams little more agressive on the 150.
ive seen a couple where the cam has worn thru the top of the bucket tappet. not seen this on any lower power units.
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Dec 26, 2011 18:27:30 GMT
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I think the cams little more agressive on the 150. ive seen a couple where the cam has worn thru the top of the bucket tappet. not seen this on any lower power units. Worn through tappets is that not more to do with oil flow?? The AHH 90 brake engine comes with the bigger pump so fit a VNT17 (off a 130 ) turbo 0.216 injectors off a 2.5 150brake 5 cylinder and you will be able to remap to 200 brake.............. |
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murran
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Dec 27, 2011 20:59:42 GMT
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ive only ever seen it on the "arl" 150 engines tho.
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Dec 29, 2011 23:30:08 GMT
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I think the cams little more agressive on the 150. ive seen a couple where the cam has worn thru the top of the bucket tappet. not seen this on any lower power units. Worn through tappets is that not more to do with oil flow?? The AHH 90 brake engine comes with the bigger pump so fit a VNT17 (off a 130 ) turbo 0.216 injectors off a 2.5 150brake 5 cylinder and you will be able to remap to 200 brake.............. Its the followers that are very poor quality on the 150. Search for chocolate cams. Apparently the 130pd engine is the more reliable of the two. |
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Last Edit: Dec 29, 2011 23:33:23 GMT by bigfella2
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Dec 30, 2011 17:43:48 GMT
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ive only ever seen it on the "arl" 150 engines tho. Happens on five pot PD's too. Incorrect oil spec looks like the most likely candidate. |
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He has also had it remapped to 164. 
