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Oct 16, 2011 20:59:53 GMT
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Wouldnt mind some winter tyres incase of any snow, being a tight git though I cant see the point in buying a set as they will probably only be on the car for 2 months. Has anyone got any experience of driving on winter tyres on a FWD car, but with summer tyres on the rear.
From a bit of research on the net there seems to be mixed opinions on the matter.
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stealthstylz
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Oct 16, 2011 21:13:54 GMT
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I've done it, I enjoyed it but it was sketchy at best, though I tend to set all my fwd cars up to oversteer so was used to it.
Matt
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bryn
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Oct 16, 2011 21:19:23 GMT
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I'd go with Matt on that one, false economy as instead of understeering into a crash, you'll just oversteer as the back end comes round ;D Not being dramatic, just had some nasty experiences having done it myself. I now run winter tyres every year on a spare set of rims, to be honest winter tyres aren't just for snow, that's a common misconception. In most European countries when the temp drops below seven degrees you have to have them by law, frankly it's a joke given the density of population in this country that we don't have the same. Buy 'em and revel in the difference
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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Oct 16, 2011 21:19:25 GMT
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Oct 16, 2011 21:28:43 GMT
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Been looking at them too, just wondering howdurable they really are though.
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Oct 16, 2011 21:38:57 GMT
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Have you considered buying a set of 4 then using them for several winters in a row? Probably works out relatively cheap if you're not wearing them down a lot over 1 winter.
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mym
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Oct 16, 2011 21:43:05 GMT
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from memory snow socks are similar to chains.
ie put em on, get unstuck, take em off, carry on
edit:
yeah, just checked one of those ebay adverts.
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Last Edit: Oct 16, 2011 21:45:12 GMT by mym
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Oct 16, 2011 21:43:22 GMT
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Was thinking about this, is using space savers a really stupid ideas only applicable to cars and situations such as this: ?
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I've got Rovers.
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bryn
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Oct 16, 2011 21:45:52 GMT
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Have you considered buying a set of 4 then using them for several winters in a row? Probably works out relatively cheap if you're not wearing them down a lot over 1 winter. This ^ Say you get through a set of tyres a year, this way a set will last two
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stealthstylz
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Oct 16, 2011 21:49:02 GMT
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Once you've driven on a set of winter tyres I guarantee you'll never use summer tyres through the winter months again.
Fitting a set of winter tyres to some cheap wheels is definitely the way to go.
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Oct 16, 2011 21:58:23 GMT
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slightly off topic, but I recently bought a set of Goodyear Vector 4 all weather tyres for my polo. its not worth the hassle of me buying a set of summer and winter tyres as I only drive 2000 miles a year. not the cheapest of tyres, but looking at some reviews some of the cheaper all weather tyres have limitations in their usage. was also thinking of getting Hankook Optimo 4S tyres
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Rob M
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Oct 16, 2011 22:34:09 GMT
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Funnily enough, when i was in getting my van tyres changed this week, the fella working there was frantically phoning around trying to get some for a customer.....and failing. Chatting to him it transpired that A) you really need to order them before the end of April as they have to be brought in from Europe and B) He was taken to an indoor Ski slope for a test demo for said winter tyres at, I think Milton Keynes, where he was shown two Audi A3s that couldnt get more than two feet up a Ski slope on standard tyres before losing traction then watched, in awe, as the same vehicles had no problems getting right to the top on winter tyres. He also pointed out that the slope was both very steep and covered in REAL snow and not that artificial muck. From the horses mouth, they work and work VERY well.
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10mpg
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Oct 16, 2011 23:01:03 GMT
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ah cumon, I went through the 'snow' last year on a set of half bald part worns on a TD mondeo, and pulled a couple of stuck cars out, complete with drivers who have no idea how to drive in snow... It doesn’t get cold enough here to justify it, the N. Europeans get much colder for longer so it's a different matter over there, my family in Central France had to fit mud terrain tyres to their Defender last year as it kept getting stuck in the drifts...
My transit never got stuck either despite being fitted with those amazing solid rubber tyres with no lateral grooves at all...
I also live completely out in the sticks, up a long steep hill, and out local roads are never gritted so it's not like I'm sitting cushy in a big city..
we get at most a week of snow, can't see it justifies it really..
That said I do also own a Range Rover (and have done for the last 5 years) never got that stuck yet...
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Last Edit: Oct 16, 2011 23:02:55 GMT by 10mpg
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Oct 16, 2011 23:06:46 GMT
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I ran winter tyres on the front of my Volvo 850 2.5 Estate and 'normal'on the back.
Was fine.
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will930
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Oct 16, 2011 23:06:52 GMT
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i see why people would take the precaution.... i only ever got stuck once and thats because my rear wheel got stuck in a hole i forgot existed!
last winter i went out at about 2am in the heaviest snow ive ever seen, main beams on and reag fog light on too and had a blast of a time.... really improved my confidence in the snow
i was purposefully making myself slide and learning how to control it, i didnt hit enything and was running 195/50/15 on my micra at the time.... didnt have a problem pulling me along
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ThePollitt
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Oct 16, 2011 23:16:30 GMT
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What Bryn said.
Running two winter tyres is like running your fingers over a cheese grater - with only two having thimbles on them.*
Winter tyres should be bought in a full set, end of. Having recently 'enjoyed' their benefits via the means of some pretty aggressive and representative testing I can vouch for the difference they make.
Chris
*This is a poor metaphor based around the consequences of the above actions, not sewing your cheese grater to your hand.
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kabman
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I think those saying 'we only get a bit of snow - it's not worth it' are missing the point of winter tyres. Driving on fresh snow is relatively easy. It's the cold, icy, wet roads that are worst, when the temperature is fluctuating around zero from day to day. That's when winter tyres come into their own.
Winter tyres and M+S or snow tyres are not the same thing. I do a lot of driving in northern Sweden and we use three different types of tyres (summer, winter and studded) depending on the season.
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That was enough to persaude me to buy a full set. I've just bought a set for my daily and it was expensive. I've no doubt I could drive on the summer tyres through the winter without getting in to much trouble however I've bought them because of the better braking and grip on offer. Safety first and all that.
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mym
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I bought a set of michelin alpin A4's last year and ran them on our volvo.
lemme try and describe the difference,. on summer tyres, the moment you lose grip thats it, the wheels spin up with no grip what so ever and your either going no where, or you aint stopping any time soon.
on winter tyres, its much harder to lose grip (the rubber's softer and the cuts (sipes) in the rubber literally sucker you to the tarmac/snow/ice. when you do lose grip, if your accelerating, it isnt a total loss of grip, it feels more like losing grip on tarmac, Ie that the tyres are still digging in and dragging you forward. I didnt bother trying to find out what happened when I locked the wheels under braking.
everything feels much more positive and controlable.
as others have said, yes its expensive, but you get to put your summer rubber away for 4/5 months and at the end of the day everything should last a little longer than normal as your only running each set of tyres during its optimal tempreture.
also, a word of caution, if you wanna go out buying part worn rubber, try and make sure its got at least 4-5mm of tread on it. winter tyres have given their best by the time the tread is down to 4mm, and indeed some countries don't even consider them to be winter tyres when they have less than 4mm tread on them
Evo have a nice winter tyres test in the mag this month, i;'m sure a couple of the other mags will be doing them as well, might be worth a bit of your reading time if your interested.
have a nice little video showing the difference between summer, all season and winter tyres on sheet ice
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Last Edit: Oct 17, 2011 8:27:43 GMT by mym
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MWF
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Oct 17, 2011 10:44:41 GMT
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Here's a video of the snow dome test mentioned
Regarding the socks, a lot of the emergency services used these last year with great results and many cars are now issued with them in the boot as standard.
I understand these winters tyres are a god send for some in the UK. But on the whole it'll encourage many people out into conditions that can get very dangerous very fast.
Stay safe and if you're going to go out in it carry:
At least one shovel (ideal a snow shovel and small sharp shovel) A thermos of warm drink Some high calorie foods A litre of water per passenger Waterproof boots Spare socks, pants, trousers and top Warm water proof jacket Torch + spare batteries Phone charger Gloves Blankets
Also check you know where your vehicle towing eyes are, and if required, how to fit them.
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