lilbob
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Jun 25, 2011 12:29:32 GMT
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Hi all just a quick question I'm thinking of upgrading my stereo I'm my not very retro clio but for the life of me cant think how i used to power 2 amps do i piggy back off the first amp or run 2 live leads from the battery 8 years ago this wouldn't have phased me but its been a long time since i have installed more than 1 amp any help would be great thanks all
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Jun 25, 2011 12:54:01 GMT
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Best way, if they're not immensely powerful, would be to run one zero or 2 gauge lead from the battery into the boot/cabin and use a distributor block mounted somewhere safe, then run separate leads (2 or 4 gauge) to the terminals on the amps. Keeps it tidy, safer, and slimmer, plus you can add and remove them as you like then as well. If you're amp is mounted to your subwoofer box then if you use a thoughtfully positioned distributor block you can quickly remove the entire sub assembly for the times you need extra load capacity.
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Jun 25, 2011 13:09:35 GMT
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as above but zero gauge is probably way overkill.
IIRC I've usually run 8 gauge down the car for a two amp install. Then 16 gauge to each amp from the distro block. I'm assuming you aren't running hugely powerful amps.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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lilbob
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Jun 25, 2011 14:01:44 GMT
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not overly powerfull I'm thinking of a 200w and maybe a 6-800w aswell the sub box and amp wont neeunconveme out as its a second car and swmbo has the main family car hence the mortaly slow very uncool clio the long term plans include some minlights or banded steels with some stretch and some stick attention
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Jun 25, 2011 15:12:49 GMT
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Handy chart about half way down this page: www.rowand.net/Shop/Tech/WireCapacityChart.htmCheck the amp rating of the fuse on your amplifier - 20A is recommended max for 16 gauge. Biggest amplifier requirement I've ever come across is 60A. I'm not saying their arn't bigger out there, just your alternator would probably die if you used them to capacity LOL Hense SPL cars having like 10 batteries and 4 alternators. But I digress.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 25, 2011 15:15:38 GMT
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You're probably right on the overkill sizes, but to me a 'small' amp or sub is anything under 500wrms. If I remember right I ran 4AWG cable for the 150W active sub I had in the 'rat and it really made a big difference over the recommended smaller gauge.
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Jun 25, 2011 16:26:11 GMT
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problem is larger cables are tricky to route. And more expensive. 4AWG is insane for 150W dude. Its as fat as your finger, I'm amazed you could even hook it up to a small active sub...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 25, 2011 18:09:12 GMT
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Lilbob - simplest thing you can consider is a good quality 4 channel amp - you can bridge 2 channels to power a sub, and the 2 remaining channels can power your fronts. Simple is sometimes best, better to buy 1 good amp that'll power a sub and your front speakers than 2 that you'll end up wanting to upgrade. If you have future plans of going a little mental with your stereo then you cant go wrong with running over-spec power cable.. but its all down to cost vs need.. If you find a few models of amps that you might be interested, we can check out the real power ratings etc and give you more accurate advice. And its not really that hard to wire up and sort out, you'll be fine. 4awg is completely mental for 150w though, you must have to chop half the strands of the cable out to get it in a connector to wire it up. I don't think the original dude is talking 2.5kw amps and 10cuft boxes, just a simple upgrade, 0awg is a major pain running down a car, 8awg is lovely and easy.
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MWF
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Jun 27, 2011 10:56:28 GMT
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Hi all just a quick question I'm thinking of upgrading my stereo I'm my not very retro clio but for the life of me cant think how I used to power 2 amps do I piggy back off the first amp or run 2 live leads from the battery 8 years ago this wouldn't have phased me but its been a long time since I have installed more than 1 amp any help would be great thanks all Mostly covered, by the other posters. Just check out the fuse ratings for your amp(s) and run the appropriate gauge cable. It's good to make sure it's tucked away very safe where it can't get caught or chaffed by anything and to have a fuse by the battery. Certainly use a distribution block for the power as you'd likely struggle trying to wedge two cables into one amp terminal. Or, as suggested, save yourself a bit of headache and just have the one multichannel amp.
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Jun 27, 2011 12:18:34 GMT
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put your fuse at the battery end but also you are safest to use a fused distribution block as well. Belt & braces for the extra £1 or so it costs you!
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 27, 2011 14:30:20 GMT
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Lilbob - simplest thing you can consider is a good quality 4 channel amp - you can bridge 2 channels to power a sub, and the 2 remaining channels can power your fronts. Simple is sometimes best, better to buy 1 good amp that'll power a sub and your front speakers than 2 that you'll end up wanting to upgrade. If you have future plans of going a little mental with your stereo then you cant go wrong with running over-spec power cable.. but its all down to cost vs need.. If you find a few models of amps that you might be interested, we can check out the real power ratings etc and give you more accurate advice. And its not really that hard to wire up and sort out, you'll be fine. 4awg is completely mental for 150w though, you must have to chop half the strands of the cable out to get it in a connector to wire it up. I don't think the original dude is talking 2.5kw amps and 10cuft boxes, just a simple upgrade, 0awg is a major pain running down a car, 8awg is lovely and easy. 150Wrms IIRC. It was left over from my previous install which was more in around 3-4000w or so. Of course it didn't get plugged directly into the amp - it was through a distributor block, as I've already mentioned using. I totally disagree over using one 4 channel for the fronts and rears by the way. Most front components don't need amped to begin with. Also you'll have far more wiring to contend with. You won't be able to set an effective low/hi pass filter on the amp if running both off it, AND a good quality 4 channel that you wouldn't want to upgrade after a while will cost FAR more than two dedicated, more compact amps that can then be correctly filtered. And how do you know the OP doesn't want to run decent sized subs?
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Jun 27, 2011 15:50:24 GMT
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WTF are you high?
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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MWF
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Jun 27, 2011 16:26:54 GMT
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Jun 27, 2011 17:44:58 GMT
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rule of thumb - balanced system means 4 times the power in the sub that you have in the front speaker chanels. so 2x100W in the fronts with a 400W amp on the sub is "about right"
Last proper install I did was 2x150W RMS into the front component speakers and 1x400 into the sub. I'm not a basshead so that worked well for me.
I've done a few which were 2x50 and 1x200 which is plenty in most cars.
Most component speakers are designed with the expectation of being amped.
IMO/IME you get the best out of a system by putting a good amp and comps (or even quality coaxials) up front, feed them plenty of clean power and make sure the crossovers are set so the speaker doesn't get asked to reproduce frequencies its not happy with. For most of use a cheapo amp and budget sub will (if well set up) be all you need, I'd even say decent 6x9s through the shelf run on a high pass is a decent alternative to a sub in many applications - but if you are going above like 100Hz you want a decent amp for them...
Edit: for clarity
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Last Edit: Jun 27, 2011 17:45:38 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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MWF
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I agree I think it's easy to underestimate just how much better, and how much more bass, you can get out of a good set of amped mid size speakers.
A lot of premium sound systems only use a very small sub if at all. In fact the Infinity Kappa system in my Grand Cherokee uses amped 6x9's in the doors on a low pass filter.
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