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right guys i need a bit of help in making a decision! here is my hartge -  its a beautiful car and i have had it up for sale for a little while but i have had very very little interest! i was expecting it to have no problems selling for £2k and was really suprised it only made £1,000 on ebay therefore not hitting my £1500 reserve. i have no real use for the hartge, i have my 200sx as a daily which is lovely, its quicker than the hartge while more easy on the wallet. I have my black 7 series which is my baby -  it is never going to be worth chuff all but it has sentimental value to me. this leaves me in the situation of what to do with the hartge. At the moment i have 3 options 1) leave it on the driveway. It wouldn't get used but can just sit there. 2) take a grand for it. this is really the last option, id rather option one! 3) (this is the one i need your help with!) Take the hartge engine, chipped ECU, wheels, badges etc and transplant them in to my black 7 series, making it pretty epic!! the reason i am asking is......... Would i be wrong/mad/insane/stupid/an idiot/etc to rip apart the hartge? it seems to have proved to not be worth much money but it is still a genuine hartge with paperwork to prove! at the moment my engine crane is out on loan so i have at least a week before i am able to do anything so hopefully you guys can guide me into the right decision!! |
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can i justify........BenzBoy
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Personally, I wouldn't rip apart such a nice car, especially to make a car which will be slower due to the extra weight, and not have the pedigree of the original Hartge. If you're not going to use it and decide to sell, I would suggest selling it somewhere other than eBay. I've found eBay to be pretty dire for selling cars sometimes, and I reckon you'd have better luck advertising it on Car and Classic, or classiccarsforsale.co.uk, plus the Bimmer forums. You'll have a better chance of reaching your target market there.  |
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Try advertising on a BMW E34 club/ forum or pistonheads. I don't know what a similiar E34 525i or 535i cost, but a genuine Hartge should catch a little more.
So leave it on the driveway, try to sell it for the desired amount of money and finally tear it to pieces.
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skinnylew
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can i justify........skinnylew
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May 14, 2011 10:13:34 GMT
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I wouldn't rip the Hartge apart, but be select where it is advertised, maybe put it up on Car and Classic as Benz suggests or up on Pistonheads if your in no rush to sell then it's worth waiting for the right buyer to come along...
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May 14, 2011 10:23:39 GMT
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Leave it on the driveway, if you don't need it to be gone ASAP. A little time and patience and you'll find the buyer who's willing to pay your price. Just give it more time to sell... |
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May 14, 2011 10:29:52 GMT
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Personally, I wouldn't rip apart such a nice car, especially to make a car which will be slower due to the extra weight, and not have the pedigree of the original Hartge. If you're not going to use it and decide to sell, I would suggest selling it somewhere other than eBay. I've found eBay to be pretty dire for selling cars sometimes, and I reckon you'd have better luck advertising it on Car and Classic, or classiccarsforsale.co.uk, plus the Bimmer forums. You'll have a better chance of reaching your target market there. ahhhh see the 7 has the manual gearbox and lightned flywheel and i have found the autobox in the hartge to take some of the power and as the 7 weighs very little more i think it would come out the quicker car. sadly ebay was a bit of a last resort, its been up on a few forums and pistonheads for a couple of weeks now with next to no intrest  |
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May 14, 2011 10:32:27 GMT
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Another option is sell the 7 Series and use the Hartge ?
Paul H
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May 14, 2011 10:35:43 GMT
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Another option is sell the 7 Series (which looks a bit scruffy in the pic) and use the Hartge ? Paul H 7 series is mega scruffy and the hartge is not too far from mint but the 7 series has the sentimental value to it so its the last on my list of cars that i would sell. with the manual box in the 7series i see near on 10mpg more than the hartge as well.  |
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May 14, 2011 10:45:06 GMT
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I've recently had to have a clear out and sold cars which I previously vowed I never would.
You need to be realistic and realise the Hartge is the one to go so keep on trying to sell complete. I agree that £1000 seems too low.
What about a classified advert on eBay ?
If your reserve was £1500, and highest bid was £1000, would you have accepted £1250 ? If so relist WITHOUT reserve but at min amount you'd accept - ie start price at £1250 ? Say in description previously didn't meet reserve of £1500 so you are splitting the difference this time.
Personally I dislike, and tend to avoid, eBay auctions with a reserve. I wait until someone else has already reached the level before I become seriously interested.
I feel a reserve is Ok for auctions where you attend in person but a bit pointless for internet auctions. Better to have the start price at min amount you'd accept so the genuine interested parties know where they stand and if within their budget.
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can i justify........ChasR
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May 14, 2011 12:08:20 GMT
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Agreed. Most reserves put me off, and generally seem to cost the seller more in addition to resulting with a lack of a sale.
As silly as it seems, Akku's "System" even on spares has faired well. Yes the odd spare went for 99p (to be fair, it saved me a trip down to the tip in addition to wasted ebay listings!) but most of my stuff went for more than I expected (in some cases, double what I wanted)). I haven't tried it with a car yet, but we shall see if I can build up the courage to with the daily!
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May 14, 2011 12:12:56 GMT
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Its obviously not worth what you want for it in this economic climate, can you affod to have it sitting about and still keep it maintained?
It WILL start develop issues if its not used, maybe if you saved it in a barn for 10 or 20 years it would become worth more money, but in my opinion if its not selling, its not currently that desirable.
Take it apart and build your 7!
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May 14, 2011 12:33:43 GMT
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It would be a shame to see it broken, it really would, it's clearly a very nice car and all the better for having its papers with it.
In your situation I'd keep it on the drive and keep it in the best shape possible until the right buyer comes along. A couple of weeks hardly seems long enough to get the interest in a car these days so I suspect more time is needed.
I've seen quite a few old hatchbacks going for the top side of £800 on eBay so for a big, special car like your Hartge to only make £1000 seems odd, probably down to the economic climate. After all, you're mainly selling it because it's too expensive to run by the sounds of things and I suspect other buyers will most likely be in the same position.
If you have funds, now is the time to buy up special cars going cheap I think and then, when the climate begins to improve, you've got a nice little nest egg of cars that should bring the money back you invested in them.. sort of.
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May 14, 2011 12:37:38 GMT
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Take the gearbox out of the 7 and put it in the Hartge |
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May 14, 2011 13:20:02 GMT
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As silly as it seems, Akku's "System" even on spares has faired well. Yes the odd spare went for 99p (to be fair, it saved me a trip down to the tip in addition to wasted ebay listings!) but most of my stuff went for more than I expected (in some cases, double what I wanted)). I haven't tried it with a car yet, but we shall see if I can build up the courage to with the daily! for parts yes, but on cars - way risky for small market cars. I sold two like that last month and *just* scraped my minimum on one, and got half what I wanted on the other (thankfully buyer pulled out, I didn't push him!). As far as the Hartge is concerned, I wouldn't take it apart unless it was bashed, and even then I'd probably re-shell. Plus, the 7 is circa 250kg heavier. I WOULD manual-swap it though. If anything that will increase the value. Plus, and don't hate me, but I like it more than the 7, even though your 7 is exactly like what mine will be like lol. (must find some new wheels!!) |
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May 14, 2011 14:12:11 GMT
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Speaking to a few local car sales places, anything petrol over a 1.6 doesn't seem to shift at all, unless theres a bit of a following for them. So i would stick it somewhere some bimmer enthusiasts are lurking, keep it bumped up and wait for the right person to come along, i wouldn't worry if it takes a while to shift.
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May 14, 2011 16:59:32 GMT
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Rare though it is, I thought it was a £1000 car when I saw it for sale and would have been intrested at that price but that is my opinion and it seems the opinion of Ebayers.
Hartage BMWs are great but the only ones I have seen that fetch much more than standard are the E30S.
Having said all that good luck with the sale I think if you let it stand it will go down hill and be worthless in a very short time frame.
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May 14, 2011 17:54:15 GMT
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Hartge on eBay, 99p no reserve.
The market will decide its value.
99p no reserve seems to get the best final price.
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May 14, 2011 19:22:54 GMT
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Hartge on eBay, 99p no reserve. The market will decide its value. 99p no reserve seems to get the best final price. *do not do this!* |
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May 14, 2011 20:23:27 GMT
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if i wasnt poor id have this off you, awesome car, wana swap for my mk2 jetta gti lol , don't break it up mate, far too nice for that, the right buyer will come along, just might take a bit of time |
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I'd do what Akku says, it made a grand on eBay, thats what its worth. Trust me, you can go round the houses advertising it on BMW forums and the like, but I can guarantee the same people on there who are after a Hartge will be scouring eBay as well and they clearly decided a grand was what the 5 series is worth!
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