foxy99
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I have just spent a lot of time striping paint/powder coat and rust of my VW Polo standard steels. I have got some Vredestein T-Trac 155/70 tyres off Ebay and set about fitting them to the etch primed & celly primed wheels. Idea was to get the tyres on then do the cosmetic top coats so I wouldn't damage the paint when fitting the tyres. I spent a whole day trying to get the second bead back on the rim and ended up with a damaged tyre and bent rim. Should I give up and take them to a tyre place? Videos on YouTube make it look easy. I think I might've made a mistake in that the first bead went on quite easy as it was sitting in the 'drop centre' which gives you a bit slack to get the full lip over but when I was putting the other bead over the lip is settling into its normal place on the rim leaving it too tight to get over the last bit.
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Last Edit: Aug 9, 2011 22:01:21 GMT by foxy99
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I did one a couple of weeks ago, as I had a leaking rim. it was much easier to get the tyre back on than to take it off for me. I did use proper tyre lube though, and think I used a hammer to get the last bit of the bead over the rim. I did mine from the front as the distance between the lip and the drop centre was smaller. ohh and I was fitting the same tyre although 165/65/13 to a polo rim not sure if you're trying to seat the tyre properly though, as I did that with compressed air.
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foxy99
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Nutz....some one else with same problem/car/tyre brand I've not got the air into it at all yet as tyre not on fully but I did get them off pretty easily so I didn't expect so much trouble putting them back on. Am gonna tackle it again today. The thing is already damaged so can't really make it any worse and if I succeed at least I'll get a result on the other ones. Where do you get the proper tyre lube? I didn't use any on mine
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Last Edit: Aug 4, 2011 1:19:24 GMT by foxy99
1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP 1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up 1984 VW Polo breadvan 1970s Yamaha Twins (4) 1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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try washing up liquid
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stealthstylz
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You're putting them on the wrong way they need to go on from the front. TBH for all the faffing just take them to a tyre shop. You'll have to anyway to get them balanced.
Matt
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Piece of cake putting them on. Washing up liquid or soap on the beads, then use your knees to get as much of the tyre on as possible before (ideally) using a rubber mallet to whack the final bit on.
Start facing the valve first (i.e have the valve at 12.00 and start putting the tyre on at 6.00) and work round both sides a bit at a time equally until you reach the top. Keep the tyre pushed down at 6.00 as you do it to help it sit further down to make it easier. On rims with a (pretty much) bigger dish on one side always start on the side of the wheel the valve eminates from. For example if the valve sits at the back dish of the wheel that's the first side to put on if that makes sense?
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foxy99
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Well....I tried again today and it was a breeze. As some ppl have already touched on, it can only be achieved from one side.The 'drop centre' which is the low part of the rim is the key to fitting it. The first part of the bead to go in has to sit inside that the give enough slack to get that last section over. I hadn't looked at the wheel to even see that there is a big difference in the distance from the front and back rims to the drop centre despite having painted them myself and spent hours scraping powder coat of them. Pics may explain... tyre came on from rear of wheel. first face did come on with a struggle another viewhowever...second side just would not go over despite trying for several hours all I achieved was tearing the tire, dirtying up and scraping the primer and distorting the rim edge...on both sidesdamage to newly painted rim moreGood news however is that I took the tyre off, straightend the rim. Put it on again from front with no problems and did another one in about 10 minutes. Soapy water helps greatly too. Amazing really. The first one almost pushed on by hand on its final 2 or 3 inches. There was also enough free play on both sides to get plenty paint on the damaged bits after masking up the tires so it was a big success. Topcoat (matt black) should go on at the weekend then just need to inflate them. I won't be getting them balanced. I had Polo wheels powdercoated years ago and the guy who did them told me balancing was a lot of p*sh (Scottish term) and I have to agree. I've never noticed any vibrations.
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Last Edit: May 8, 2011 22:45:07 GMT by foxy99
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Third picture down shows the problem as you said: the tyre isn't pushed down enough at 6.00 so you would always struggle trying to the rest on at the top.
I'd get them balanced, you'll find out how annoying it is when you get a vibe! Oh be careful driving on the one with the damaged bead, it could deflate without notice due to the damage.
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stealthstylz
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LOL the guy was obviously retarded then. Wheels are usually fairly true and don't need balancing, it's generally the tyre that throws them out. I've got a vibration on my polo at 70mph because I didn't have one wheel balanced when I chucked a tyre on. Very annoying.
Matt
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foxy99
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The guy wasn't an intellectual lol but he did run an alloy wheel centre.
I must've just been lucky as I've never experienced the vibration and have been driving for about 20 years
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we charge £8 + vat for fitting, valve and balance. it may be possible to fit tyres by hand but was it really worth it. why take several hours when they could be done in five minutes?
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The moral must be having a tyre fitter do the job properly might cost a few pounds but is cheaper then the cost of one ruined tyre due to damaged bead ?
Paul h
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foxy99
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I suppose so but I have 5 to do and only paid about £10 for each tyre which is just a little more than I'd need to pay to get each tyre fitted and balanced etc. All depends on your budget I suppose. Also have learned how to do it now in 15 minutes and won't make the same mistake again.
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Last Edit: May 8, 2011 15:51:26 GMT by foxy99
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Have now got 4 painted wheels with tyres on and new valves in. Easy bit I thought was to just pump them up...... Not quite. - 1st one was no problem. pumped up in about 5 minutes with quite a loud pop as the bead popped up against the rim
- 2nd one pumped up fine but the bead isn't sitting right against the rim despite going up to nearly 40lbs/in
- 3rd one. Can't get any air in at all as the tyre is sitting inside the drop centre and there are small gaps for the air to escape out of
I'm not majorly concerned about it as I'm still looking for a 4th matching tyre and in no great rush but it does seem strange that the 3 would behave differently considering the tyres are exact same and the wheels have all been refurbished the same so there should be no difference in friction on the surfaces etc. I'm not keen on using any of the lighter fluid tricks you see on YouTube but there was one with a bicycle inner tube wrapped round the rim which looked quite good.
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Jeez, take them to a tyre place already...
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I'd say to stay with it for a bit, get them all fitted and finished.... then get them balanced, along with getting the 4th fitted and balancedby them ,lol It's a learning experience - but annoyingly, you can't properly balance them without the right equipment. And if you've got at least ONE tyre to fit, the garage would be more inclined to balance the other 3 for you
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Wow. I wouldn't put a wheel even NEAR my car without having it balanced - and balanced right. Even a slightly mis-balanced wheel can be horrible. It's like driving on a square.
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foxy99
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Mr Pancetta.....
Most tyre fitting operatives I've dealt with in the past have been f***in ar**holes who think its ok to throw a newly painted wheel on the ground and jump on it damaging the new paint or powdercoat.
If that happened now I'd be liable to go mental so, for the sake of their safety and mine, I'll do it myself.
Unless you have the answer to the question I asked, don't contribute. ok?
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Last Edit: Aug 5, 2011 1:58:50 GMT by foxy99
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Glad you sorted things in the end. I had a set of old Beetle steel wheels with assorted tyres on them mostly bald and knackered. I intended to strip the tyres off them all (I had 8 wheels) sprya them up and sell them at a VW show this year. Borrowed a friends bead breaker whatsit - proper heavy duty lump - after about 1 hour I gave up! The swine would not budge - non of them. I even tried hacksawing a tyre off but no still no joy! In the end for the sheer amount of time and money I would spend on this exercise I just advertised the lot for £25 as is and they sold no issue. Sometimes you have to just cut your losses! So I am really impressed with your efforts there mate nice one.
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foxy99
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Thanks Stan.
I've not been in any great rush with this one as the car has been off road 'finished' for about 5 years and I have a daily driver so there is no real urgency here.
Am a bit disappointed with the matt black paint I used tho. Bought it from Jawel Paints and it looks ace but seems to have about the same abrasion resistance as kids' poster paint lol
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